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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 5:29 pm
Our research has revealed some slightly different information. Coaches who have worked with Biyombo earlier in his career while he was still in Congo think he's “no older than 20 at most,” while Biyombo's agent, Igor Crespo, has evidence that proves Biyombo is even younger.

Crespo says he took Biyombo to a specialist to conduct a bone age study immediately upon his arrival in Spain (Biyombo was reportedly 16). The study, as explained here involves taking x-rays of an adolescent's wrist and hand to see if his growth plates are still open. Because the cartilage in Biyombo's hand hadn't fused at that point, the specialist came to the conclusion that he could be 16 or 17 at most, but not 18, when growth plates are expected to be closed.

This obviously rules out the possibility of Biyombo being five to eight years older than he's listed, as the wild speculation we've seen recently on the Internet indicates. Crespo says he will willingly share these x-rays with any NBA team that requests them. One team we spoke with has already begun to evaluate the x-rays.

Biyombo's performance in Portland, coupled with the withdrawals of a host of other power forward prospects (such as Jared Sullinger, Perry Jones, John Henson, Tristan Thompson, Thomas Robinson and Mason Plumlee) has elevated his draft stock significantly.

Due to his offensive limitations, Biyombo doesn't fit on just any NBA team—he's not someone who can be expected to generate his own offense, and probably needs another skilled big man next to him, as well as a creative point guard. The skills he does have are highly coveted, though, and any team looking to upgrade its defensive and rebounding presence will surely give him a look.

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migya wrote:I'm all for trading the pick for a proven player, a role player would do great


If we can get Leonard or Singleton at 11, I think a package of either of those guys plus dorrell and biedrins or charlie bell could be dangled out there for Josh Smith.

The Hawks get a C or capspace (never a bad thing for a team with the biggest contract in the league) , a cheap SF who can stretch the floor and still play some defense, plus a player who can replace a lot of what Smith brings but younger and cheaper in the lotto pick.

We get a fringe all-star that can play defense, pass and hopefully be a more efficient offensive player as a 4th option.

The question is do we need to do a trade like this or are we better off getting more depth by having a combo or dorrell and leonard/singleton?
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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 5:46 pm
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migya wrote:I'm all for trading the pick for a proven player, a role player would do great


If we can get Leonard or Singleton at 11, I think a package of either of those guys plus dorrell and biedrins or charlie bell could be dangled out there for Josh Smith.

The Hawks get a C or capspace (never a bad thing for a team with the biggest contract in the league) , a cheap SF who can stretch the floor and still play some defense, plus a player who can replace a lot of what Smith brings but younger and cheaper in the lotto pick.

We get a fringe all-star that can play defense, pass and hopefully be a more efficient offensive player as a 4th option.

The question is do we need to do a trade like this or are we better off getting more depth by having a combo or dorrell and leonard/singleton?




Interesting. I like JSmith, always have, but truth is he is no one man team. Gettig him, while keeping two or all three of the big three would't guarantee being a top four team, but worth making such a trade, as it improves the team.

Point is to get better ad that looks like it starts with getting rid of Biedrins. Throwing the draft pick, AB and DWright could get that trade done. Worth trying for sure
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migya wrote:I'm all for trading the pick for a proven player, a role player would do great


If we can get Leonard or Singleton at 11, I think a package of either of those guys plus dorrell and biedrins or charlie bell could be dangled out there for Josh Smith.

The Hawks get a C or capspace (never a bad thing for a team with the biggest contract in the league) , a cheap SF who can stretch the floor and still play some defense, plus a player who can replace a lot of what Smith brings but younger and cheaper in the lotto pick.

We get a fringe all-star that can play defense, pass and hopefully be a more efficient offensive player as a 4th option.

The question is do we need to do a trade like this or are we better off getting more depth by having a combo or dorrell and leonard/singleton?




Interesting. I like JSmith, always have, but truth is he is no one man team. Gettig him, while keeping two or all three of the big three would't guarantee being a top four team, but worth making such a trade, as it improves the team.

Point is to get better ad that looks like it starts with getting rid of Biedrins. Throwing the draft pick, AB and DWright could get that trade done. Worth trying for sure


Yeah if we could get them to take Biedrins it's a no-brainer. They need a C but would probably prefer expirings over Andris unless they think he is salvageable.

Only problem is we would have no bench, and putting Smith at the 3 takes away a lot of his strength on defense as he is more valuable in the lane than on the perimeter. Switching 1st rounders as part of the trade would make it pretty even.
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Dr. Spaceman wrote:
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Dr. Spaceman wrote:
migya wrote:I'm all for trading the pick for a proven player, a role player would do great


If we can get Leonard or Singleton at 11, I think a package of either of those guys plus dorrell and biedrins or charlie bell could be dangled out there for Josh Smith.

The Hawks get a C or capspace (never a bad thing for a team with the biggest contract in the league) , a cheap SF who can stretch the floor and still play some defense, plus a player who can replace a lot of what Smith brings but younger and cheaper in the lotto pick.

We get a fringe all-star that can play defense, pass and hopefully be a more efficient offensive player as a 4th option.

The question is do we need to do a trade like this or are we better off getting more depth by having a combo or dorrell and leonard/singleton?




Interesting. I like JSmith, always have, but truth is he is no one man team. Gettig him, while keeping two or all three of the big three would't guarantee being a top four team, but worth making such a trade, as it improves the team.

Point is to get better ad that looks like it starts with getting rid of Biedrins. Throwing the draft pick, AB and DWright could get that trade done. Worth trying for sure


Yeah if we could get them to take Biedrins it's a no-brainer. They need a C but would probably prefer expirings over Andris unless they think he is salvageable.

Only problem is we would have no bench, and putting Smith at the 3 takes away a lot of his strength on defense as he is more valuable in the lane than on the perimeter. Switching 1st rounders as part of the trade would make it pretty even.




Yea, they wouldn't take AB unless a player like Monta or Curry was going as well. I'd rather give Lee, as well as the draft pick for JSmith and I also think we could get another player from them as well, maybe Marvin Williams, throw in a bench player from our end to make it happen. I'd do such a trade
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Yeah, I think it may perhaps be a ploy saying that we can salvage AB and get his mind back into playing the game of basketball. As for the Warriors, I think we (as fans and the ownership) have seen a lot of apathy from AB and are willing to give him up for something better. Yeah, they can say they're trying to get him back to his former self all they want but I just think AB has given up on the idea of being a Warrior. If we can get another team to see the potential in a revitalized AB we can totally get something better in return. I'm sure AB would be himself if presented with the likelihood of making the playoffs. I could see him going to the Hornets or Rockets or something like that.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 2:36 am
If the team can actually draft a Center, then packaging that player with AB for a good Center, like MGasol, would be a coup. I really would rather get a good Center back in any trade of aB, but it is more difficult than making other trades
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Dr. Spaceman wrote:
migya wrote:
Dr. Spaceman wrote:
migya wrote:I'm all for trading the pick for a proven player, a role player would do great


If we can get Leonard or Singleton at 11, I think a package of either of those guys plus dorrell and biedrins or charlie bell could be dangled out there for Josh Smith.

The Hawks get a C or capspace (never a bad thing for a team with the biggest contract in the league) , a cheap SF who can stretch the floor and still play some defense, plus a player who can replace a lot of what Smith brings but younger and cheaper in the lotto pick.

We get a fringe all-star that can play defense, pass and hopefully be a more efficient offensive player as a 4th option.

The question is do we need to do a trade like this or are we better off getting more depth by having a combo or dorrell and leonard/singleton?




Interesting. I like JSmith, always have, but truth is he is no one man team. Gettig him, while keeping two or all three of the big three would't guarantee being a top four team, but worth making such a trade, as it improves the team.

Point is to get better ad that looks like it starts with getting rid of Biedrins. Throwing the draft pick, AB and DWright could get that trade done. Worth trying for sure


Yeah if we could get them to take Biedrins it's a no-brainer. They need a C but would probably prefer expirings over Andris unless they think he is salvageable.

Only problem is we would have no bench, and putting Smith at the 3 takes away a lot of his strength on defense as he is more valuable in the lane than on the perimeter. Switching 1st rounders as part of the trade would make it pretty even.

If you want another head case that brings his A-game every 3rd night and loves to shoot 22-footers, let 'er rip!!! If they'd take Beidrins it would still be a good trade, but I am very concerned about his inconsistent effort and his love for long jumers and the way he bitches for calls and shuts down when he feels slighted by the refs. Don't let the bling of his athleticism blind you to the whole package on him.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 9:46 am
Yeah Josh Smith is one of those guys who doesn't seem to understand their role or have a very polished game. Not worth the money he would cost - would much rather have a Gerald Wallace type guy in Kawhi. Defend multiple positions & can rebound ... those are his 2 main attributes and he focuses on them. We need a defensive stopper on the wing for guys like Kobe, Wes Mathews, Durant, etc....

Draft Kawhi and bring Dorrell off the bench. Huge upgrade already... though I doubt Kawhi will fall to us. Might have to settle for Vesley or Vonaviciosuss or whatever his name is ... saying he could be the best big man European prospect since Pao
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Beast Mode wrote:Yeah Josh Smith is one of those guys who doesn't seem to understand their role or have a very polished game. Not worth the money he would cost - would much rather have a Gerald Wallace type guy in Kawhi. Defend multiple positions & can rebound ... those are his 2 main attributes and he focuses on them. We need a defensive stopper on the wing for guys like Kobe, Wes Mathews, Durant, etc....

Draft Kawhi and bring Dorrell off the bench. Huge upgrade already... though I doubt Kawhi will fall to us. Might have to settle for Vesley or Vonaviciosuss or whatever his name is ... saying he could be the best big man European prospect since Pao

Have only seen limited footage on He Whose Name Begins With V, but seems to be physical along the lines of Pachulla(?) in ATL but with more athleticism, could be a good fallback pick.
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Beast Mode wrote:Yeah Josh Smith is one of those guys who doesn't seem to understand their role or have a very polished game. Not worth the money he would cost - would much rather have a Gerald Wallace type guy in Kawhi. Defend multiple positions & can rebound ... those are his 2 main attributes and he focuses on them. We need a defensive stopper on the wing for guys like Kobe, Wes Mathews, Durant, etc....

Draft Kawhi and bring Dorrell off the bench. Huge upgrade already... though I doubt Kawhi will fall to us. Might have to settle for Vesley or Vonaviciosuss or whatever his name is ... saying he could be the best big man European prospect since Pao


I agree with this. I was merely playing devil's advocate to the proposed idea of trading the pick for a veteran, and has seen the trade I proposed being discussed on another board. I like Smith's all around game, but think keeping Dorrell and getting a player more fit to being a wing defender would be a better option than taking on 1 player whose contract will be more than both Dorrell and a lotto pick combined. I also agree that one of our biggest needs is a wing defender who can be a stopper. Look at every successful playoff team and they all have one. The question is, if Leonard is out of our range do we try to trade up if the cost is small, or try to get another defensive wing prospect like Christ Singleton? Also do we try to also sign such a player in FA to help teach a rookie, especially since defense is not always easy to learn in the NBA.
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An option I'd like is for the Warriors to trade down and get a 2 for 1 since there are players that I really like the late first round. Houston would be a good trade partner and owns the 14th and 23rd picks. Although moving up 3 spots may not seem like a huge move, I think if they have a player targeted, they may make the deal to secure that player. Maybe Marcus Morris or Bismack Biyombo if they're still on the board at #11.

I think they could still grab Chris Singleton at 14 and a guy like Keith Benson at 23rd or a Jon Leuer who is a Jeff Foster type player.
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 2:38 pm
Best case scenarios:

Kawhi Leonard
Jonas Vonavidivadavoochieischous
Bismack Biyombo

Worst case:

Marcus Morris [still a good pick, probly the guy we'll end up taking]
Chris Singleton [i like his defense but he has next to NO potential]
Alec Burks [2 guard who can replace Monta if we ever move him]
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:57 am
Bismack Biyombo? I thought the Adonal Foyle syndrome was cured.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 11:47 am
He's more like a sooped up Serge Ibaka. Elite defensive and rebounding potential. EXACTLY what we need.
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