Monta snubbed from All Star reserves

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» Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:13 pm
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... r_Reserves


I thought his scoring alone woulda got him there, but the coaches didn't think so.

meh...maybe this will help him to focus on making his team a winner instead of worrying about padding his stats.
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» Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:25 pm
rockyBeli wrote:http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/210584/NBA_Announces_All_Star_Reserves


I thought his scoring alone woulda got him there, but the coaches didn't think so.

meh...maybe this will help him to focus on making his team a winner instead of worrying about padding his stats.


he's not padding his stats.
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» Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:41 pm
Bullshit
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» Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:09 pm
LilBallerx8 wrote:
rockyBeli wrote:http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/210584/NBA_Announces_All_Star_Reserves


I thought his scoring alone woulda got him there, but the coaches didn't think so.

meh...maybe this will help him to focus on making his team a winner instead of worrying about padding his stats.


he's not padding his stats.


the overall theme of his entire career has been one of a stat padding scorer (which explains the nights he goes 3-18 or what have you). compare it to Kobe (I'm not comparing it to Kobe's talent)....he became more of a complete player the more he matured in his career as a baller - accepting that some nights his role would be a facilitator, trusting his teammates, defense, expanding his bball IQ/understanding the game better. for Monta to become a for-sure all star, he needs to continue to mature in all those areas. maturing in those areas = more wins = more likely to be an all star.

if he is this "star" or "allstar" that some think he is, the W's should have more wins because he DOES have enough talent around him to beat out those depleted teams like the Blazers, Suns, and soon to be Nuggets.
look it at it this way...insert (all star or former allstar SG) into Monta's place, and the Warriors are playoff bound. Ginobili, Brandon Roy, etc. guys like that who beat him....beat him out for a valid reason....because they would improve this team in the WINS dept. more.

here's some fine scorers...

Kevin Martin
Tyreke Evans
Eric Gordon
Devon Harris
Jamal Crawford
Jason Richardson
Corey Maggette
Jason Terry
Stephen Jackson
and...Monta Ellis

although all these guys can easily get theirs in the scoring department, they aren't playing in the all star game. basically, you gotta step ya game up to get there. WILL your team to wins, be a leader, be that all star even when your shot isn't falling, etc.

recently the warriors are doing better, but we can' t be barely squeaking by sucky teams like the Pacers and Kings. those are teams the W's and Monta should be able to beat by him taking the game over. Monta's matured alot, but if he wants the coaches to select him for the all star game, he needs to understand that winning should be a priority in his mind just as much as his stats.
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» Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:23 pm
There is just too many good guards on good teams in the West for Monta to get it. Must have been close
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» Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:30 am
Blake Griffin got in.... Clippers have worse record then us. If they were going to be consistent they would have gone with milsap, zbo, LAMARCUS ALRIDGE!

I mean at least be consistent u a hole coaches. 
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» Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:28 am
The Snub could be a blessing in disguise..

Monta's always taken things personal... I think he could lead the league in scoring in the 2nd half of the season just to prove a point.
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» Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:32 am
He is an All Star, everyone and their dead aunt knows that. Who cares if he doesn't take part in that silly all stars game.
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» Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:57 am
It's a bullshit. Monta is an all-star, he's not just a scorer and there were quite a lot of games where he was the playmaker, making the passes to his teammates.

@Beli: And when you said some players would get us more wins if they played in place of Monta, take Crawford for instance, that's a one dimensional player, and I could bet that we would have even close to 10 wins less with him instead of Monta. Maggette as well, Terry, Martin, Jackson...the same. Monta is a key part of this team, and he does carry this team. He's not just a scorer, he can pick the ball, pass, score...etc. You can't expect from Monta to be our best rebounder and blocker as well. Just be reasonable and take into notice that we are losing because of our bigs play, and lack of rebounds alltogether, and Smart's bad rotations. There's so much one player can do on his own.
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» Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:11 am
Guybrush wrote:It's a bullshit. Monta is an all-star, he's not just a scorer and there were quite a lot of games where he was the playmaker, making the passes to his teammates.

@Beli: And when you said some players would get us more wins if they played in place of Monta, take Crawford for instance, that's a one dimensional player, and I could bet that we would have even close to 10 wins less with him instead of Monta. Maggette as well, Terry, Martin, Jackson...the same. Monta is a key part of this team, and he does carry this team. He's not just a scorer, he can pick the ball, pass, score...etc. You can't expect from Monta to be our best rebounder and blocker as well. Just be reasonable and take into notice that we are losing because of our bigs play, and lack of rebounds alltogether, and Smart's bad rotations. There's so much one player can do on his own.


Yes,I believe Ersan Ilyasova, a 6'9 small forward with limited athletic ability, playing C for the Bucks just recorded 23 points and 13 rebounds against our frontcourt who got 10 and 7 rebounds(Beans and Lee).
Really sounds like it's Monta's fault. Even Lamar Odom from last night thinks that's terrible boxing out and owning the paint.
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» Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:31 am
Kobe Bryant averages 25.4 points, but only plays 33 minutes. Kevin Durant averages 29.2 points in 39 minutes. Ellis averages 25.1 points but plays 8 minutes (41) more per game than Kobe Bryant and 2 more than Durant, so his numbers are a tad exaggerated. Per 48 minutes, Ellis drops to 14th in scoring with guys like Michael Beasely and Russell Westbrook ahead of him and guys like Andrea Bargnani right below him. Out of the top 20 in scoring, Ellis is the only guy that plays 40+ minutes a game.

So what kind of numbers would Ellis give you if he were playing Kobe Bryant type minutes? Ellis scores .6 points every minutes so you're looking at 19.8 points a game. But, Bryant maybe an exception but most All-Star players play an average of 35 minutes per game which brings Ellis to 21 points per game and would make him 19th in the league. ESPN also has a Player Efficiency Rating which covers all stats per minute. Ellis is 41st on that list and 27th in the West. Curry has a higher PER than Monta.

If I can put that together, the coaches and Stern can as well. Ellis' numbers are a mirage when comparing him to the rest of the league's elite players.
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» Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:22 pm
Ok, you somewhat do have a point. But those are just stats. You won't read there that Ellis might, just might, get a little bit fatigued after playing 40+ minutes night in and night out. Maybe, just maybe again, Monta would have even better numbers in less minutes if he could get some rest to catch a breath.

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» Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:23 pm
BayAreaHoopz wrote:Kobe Bryant averages 25.4 points, but only plays 33 minutes. Kevin Durant averages 29.2 points in 39 minutes. Ellis averages 25.1 points but plays 8 minutes (41) more per game than Kobe Bryant and 2 more than Durant, so his numbers are a tad exaggerated. Per 48 minutes, Ellis drops to 14th in scoring with guys like Michael Beasely and Russell Westbrook ahead of him and guys like Andrea Bargnani right below him. Out of the top 20 in scoring, Ellis is the only guy that plays 40+ minutes a game.

So what kind of numbers would Ellis give you if he were playing Kobe Bryant type minutes? Ellis scores .6 points every minutes so you're looking at 19.8 points a game. But, Bryant maybe an exception but most All-Star players play an average of 35 minutes per game which brings Ellis to 21 points per game and would make him 19th in the league. ESPN also has a Player Efficiency Rating which covers all stats per minute. Ellis is 41st on that list and 27th in the West. Curry has a higher PER than Monta.

If I can put that together, the coaches and Stern can as well. Ellis' numbers are a mirage when comparing him to the rest of the league's elite players.


You can't pull that points per minute crap, thats all hypothetical. If a player plays 2 minutes but scores 10 points, does that make him better than Monta too? His numbers aren't exaggerated, because playing the most minutes night in and night out should be slowing a player down. Monta is not phased by this at all and continues to dominate. He's an all star.

Also, Kobe would be scoring more than Monta but also taking more shots (had to be said). Player efficiency is bullshit.
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» Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:15 pm
I am so tired of people thinking that because the dubs are doing bad, it's his fault because he can't "carry the team" or "lead the team to te playoffs" or even gain more wins. Every game is a team effort. Remember that. You can't say that our coach isn't horrible and our defense isn't horrible. The reason we have low wins is because we don't know how to play as a team and we make shitty decisions in crunch time.
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» Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:36 pm
mik0 wrote:I am so tired of people thinking that because the dubs are doing bad, it's his fault because he can't "carry the team" or "lead the team to te playoffs" or even gain more wins. Every game is a team effort. Remember that. You can't say that our coach isn't horrible and our defense isn't horrible. The reason we have low wins is because we don't know how to play as a team and we make shitty decisions in crunch time.


Coach Smart isnt horrible. He isnt even bad. He is a good Coach... Just not an excellent coach. I dont think therr is much more anyone could do with this roster and the early injuries this season. We just dont have a strong roster, but with more experience they are getting better.

I wouldnt even get rid of Smart unless there was someone who you know is a great coach who is available and willing. Someone like Nate McMillan.

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