8th ave wrote:

migya wrote:

GSW Hoops Fan wrote:

migya wrote:Best thing really is to play him alot and see if he plays better, maybe a huge game like he had earlier in the season. Then look to trade him as he'd be hyped then

When the lakers were strugling before the got Soft Gasol did they trade Kobe? No, even though he made it public he wanted to be traded or to go to a good team. But they stuck with him and finally got Gasol. Now look at them...

Were the Lakers one of the best teams already without PGasol? Yes they were. The Warriors are not right now!

Comparing Monta to Kobe is ridiculous. Monta is a stat guy right now, Kobe is the real deal

they were not one of the best teams before gasol came to the lakers... what are you talking about?!

Dr. Spaceman wrote:You know in those years between when Kobe had Shaq and Gasol, many people thought he was just a stat stuffer, not even getting his team out of the first round if he could even get them to the playoffs. Not saying Kobe and Monta are equal in talent, just pointing out some of the logic people use here to try to justify why we should trade our best player and why it's ridiculous. This is a TEAM game, and much like Kobe when he didn't have a great side-kick, Monta's team is not on his level, so it's mediocre.

Dr. Spaceman wrote:You know in those years between when Kobe had Shaq and Gasol, many people thought he was just a stat stuffer, not even getting his team out of the first round if he could even get them to the playoffs. Not saying Kobe and Monta are equal in talent, just pointing out some of the logic people use here to try to justify why we should trade our best player and why it's ridiculous. This is a TEAM game, and much like Kobe when he didn't have a great side-kick, Monta's team is not on his level, so it's mediocre.

GSW Hoops Fan wrote:

8th ave wrote:

migya wrote:

GSW Hoops Fan wrote:

migya wrote:Best thing really is to play him alot and see if he plays better, maybe a huge game like he had earlier in the season. Then look to trade him as he'd be hyped then

When the lakers were strugling before the got Soft Gasol did they trade Kobe? No, even though he made it public he wanted to be traded or to go to a good team. But they stuck with him and finally got Gasol. Now look at them...

Were the Lakers one of the best teams already without PGasol? Yes they were. The Warriors are not right now!

Comparing Monta to Kobe is ridiculous. Monta is a stat guy right now, Kobe is the real deal

they were not one of the best teams before gasol came to the lakers... what are you talking about?!

Well shown. I do think there is a fair bit more talent on this Warriors team than on the Lakers team immediately following Shaq's departure. Curry, for example is star potential and is far better than any player Kobe had next to him.

Well pointed out though and the Lakers definately got better when PGasol (and Bynum). Put PGasol here, next to Lee and see how good the Warriors get. I really don't think the team becomes championship caliber, I do think Monta would have the ball too much, but that can be debated






Lakers traded for Gasol on Feb 1, 2008:
http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/080201gasol_trade.html



The previous years record:
1 z - Dallas 67 15 .817 - 36-5 31-10 14-2 40-12 100.0 92.8 +7.2 Won 1 6-4
2 y - Phoenix 61 21 .744 6 33-8 28-13 11-5 36-16 110.2 102.9 +7.3 Lost 2 7-3
3 x - San Antonio 58 24 .707 9 31-10 27-14 10-6 38-14 98.5 90.1 +8.4 Lost 3 6-4
4 y - Utah 51 31 .622 16 31-10 20-21 10-6 32-20 101.5 98.6 +2.9 Won 2 4-6
5 x - Houston 52 30 .634 15 28-13 24-17 8-8 28-24 97.0 92.1 +4.9 Lost 1 6-4
6 x - Denver 45 37 .549 22 23-18 22-19 9-7 27-25 105.4 103.7 +1.6 Won 2 9-1
7 x - LA Lakers 42 40 .512 25 25-16 17-24 10-6 28-24 103.3 103.4 -0.1 Won 2 4-6
8 x - Golden State 42 40 .512 25 30-11 12-29 6-10 28-24 106.5 106.9 -0.3 Won 5 9-1

LA Clippers 40 42 .488 27 25-16 15-26 8-8 23-29 95.6 96.1 -0.5 Lost 1 5-5
New Orleans 39 43 .476 28 24-17 15-26 6-10 23-29 95.5 97.1 -1.6 Won 2 7-3
Sacramento 33 49 .402 34 20-21 13-28 5-11 18-34 101.3 103.1 -1.8 Lost 2 3-7
Portland 32 50 .390 35 18-23 14-27 7-9 19-33 94.1 98.4 -4.3 Lost 2 3-7
Minnesota 32 50 .390 35 20-21 12-29 6-10 18-34 96.1 99.7 -3.7 Lost 7 2-8
Oklahoma City 31 51 .378 36 20-21 11-30 8-8 18-34 99.1 102.0 -2.9 Lost 5 1-9
Memphis 22 60 .268 45 14-27 8-33 2-14 14-38 101.6 106.7 -5.1 Won 3 4-6


Their record before the trade:
The Lakers were one of the NBA's best teams before the 20-year-old Bynum injured his left knee Jan. 13 against Memphis, coincidentally. Los Angeles had a 28-16 record entering Friday night's game at Toronto but had lost five of eight since Bynum was injured.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3226203


So were they a playoff team before gasol, yes. Were they better before gasol then the current warriors... yes. But they only became great after getting gasol. And Kobe wanted to bolt for a better team before they got him.

No way do I think Ellis is Kobe, but Ellis is one level under him and I don't think you trade that just to get two good players. I think they need a bench, the a Center. So hold on to your 1-4 positions and then aquire good pieces via draft or trading your other ok players for a single good player.

8th ave wrote:42-40 is one of the best teams???? kidding me

WarriorHawk87 wrote:That is an interesting article. I think Udoh definitely needs to take his time and learn how to play the NBA game.

However, it is a little disconcerting to see just how much effort and time Smart will put in to making Biedrins feel comfortable while not giving the same kind of effort for Udoh. In my opinion the best player should play the most minutes, not the player who the coach likes more. Udoh has to feel very weird about the relationship between Smart and Biedrins, I know I would.

It's going to be a tough road for Udoh if this is the way things will be for him in GS.

Guybrush wrote:Well...you are forgetting about Blake Griffin who is also counted as a rookie this season.