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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:44 pm
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migya wrote:Best thing really is to play him alot and see if he plays better, maybe a huge game like he had earlier in the season. Then look to trade him as he'd be hyped then


When the lakers were strugling before the got Soft Gasol did they trade Kobe? No, even though he made it public he wanted to be traded or to go to a good team. But they stuck with him and finally got Gasol. Now look at them...




Were the Lakers one of the best teams already without PGasol? Yes they were. The Warriors are not right now!

Comparing Monta to Kobe is ridiculous. Monta is a stat guy right now, Kobe is the real deal


they were not one of the best teams before gasol came to the lakers... what are you talking about?!




Lakers traded for Gasol on Feb 1, 2008:
http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/080201gasol_trade.html



The previous years record:
1 z - Dallas 67 15 .817 - 36-5 31-10 14-2 40-12 100.0 92.8 +7.2 Won 1 6-4
2 y - Phoenix 61 21 .744 6 33-8 28-13 11-5 36-16 110.2 102.9 +7.3 Lost 2 7-3
3 x - San Antonio 58 24 .707 9 31-10 27-14 10-6 38-14 98.5 90.1 +8.4 Lost 3 6-4
4 y - Utah 51 31 .622 16 31-10 20-21 10-6 32-20 101.5 98.6 +2.9 Won 2 4-6
5 x - Houston 52 30 .634 15 28-13 24-17 8-8 28-24 97.0 92.1 +4.9 Lost 1 6-4
6 x - Denver 45 37 .549 22 23-18 22-19 9-7 27-25 105.4 103.7 +1.6 Won 2 9-1
7 x - LA Lakers 42 40 .512 25 25-16 17-24 10-6 28-24 103.3 103.4 -0.1 Won 2 4-6
8 x - Golden State 42 40 .512 25 30-11 12-29 6-10 28-24 106.5 106.9 -0.3 Won 5 9-1

LA Clippers 40 42 .488 27 25-16 15-26 8-8 23-29 95.6 96.1 -0.5 Lost 1 5-5
New Orleans 39 43 .476 28 24-17 15-26 6-10 23-29 95.5 97.1 -1.6 Won 2 7-3
Sacramento 33 49 .402 34 20-21 13-28 5-11 18-34 101.3 103.1 -1.8 Lost 2 3-7
Portland 32 50 .390 35 18-23 14-27 7-9 19-33 94.1 98.4 -4.3 Lost 2 3-7
Minnesota 32 50 .390 35 20-21 12-29 6-10 18-34 96.1 99.7 -3.7 Lost 7 2-8
Oklahoma City 31 51 .378 36 20-21 11-30 8-8 18-34 99.1 102.0 -2.9 Lost 5 1-9
Memphis 22 60 .268 45 14-27 8-33 2-14 14-38 101.6 106.7 -5.1 Won 3 4-6


Their record before the trade:
The Lakers were one of the NBA's best teams before the 20-year-old Bynum injured his left knee Jan. 13 against Memphis, coincidentally. Los Angeles had a 28-16 record entering Friday night's game at Toronto but had lost five of eight since Bynum was injured.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3226203


So were they a playoff team before gasol, yes. Were they better before gasol then the current warriors... yes. But they only became great after getting gasol. And Kobe wanted to bolt for a better team before they got him.

No way do I think Ellis is Kobe, but Ellis is one level under him and I don't think you trade that just to get two good players. I think they need a bench, the a Center. So hold on to your 1-4 positions and then aquire good pieces via draft or trading your other ok players for a single good player.
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Dr. Spaceman wrote:You know in those years between when Kobe had Shaq and Gasol, many people thought he was just a stat stuffer, not even getting his team out of the first round if he could even get them to the playoffs. Not saying Kobe and Monta are equal in talent, just pointing out some of the logic people use here to try to justify why we should trade our best player and why it's ridiculous. This is a TEAM game, and much like Kobe when he didn't have a great side-kick, Monta's team is not on his level, so it's mediocre.


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Dr. Spaceman wrote:You know in those years between when Kobe had Shaq and Gasol, many people thought he was just a stat stuffer, not even getting his team out of the first round if he could even get them to the playoffs. Not saying Kobe and Monta are equal in talent, just pointing out some of the logic people use here to try to justify why we should trade our best player and why it's ridiculous. This is a TEAM game, and much like Kobe when he didn't have a great side-kick, Monta's team is not on his level, so it's mediocre.




You make a good point. I just don't see Monta as a player that makes his team that good, but that's me. I haven't seen superstar, making a team a winner, abilities from Monta like with stars like Kobe
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:12 pm
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migya wrote:Best thing really is to play him alot and see if he plays better, maybe a huge game like he had earlier in the season. Then look to trade him as he'd be hyped then


When the lakers were strugling before the got Soft Gasol did they trade Kobe? No, even though he made it public he wanted to be traded or to go to a good team. But they stuck with him and finally got Gasol. Now look at them...




Were the Lakers one of the best teams already without PGasol? Yes they were. The Warriors are not right now!

Comparing Monta to Kobe is ridiculous. Monta is a stat guy right now, Kobe is the real deal


they were not one of the best teams before gasol came to the lakers... what are you talking about?!




Well shown. I do think there is a fair bit more talent on this Warriors team than on the Lakers team immediately following Shaq's departure. Curry, for example is star potential and is far better than any player Kobe had next to him.

Well pointed out though and the Lakers definately got better when PGasol (and Bynum). Put PGasol here, next to Lee and see how good the Warriors get. I really don't think the team becomes championship caliber, I do think Monta would have the ball too much, but that can be debated






Lakers traded for Gasol on Feb 1, 2008:
http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/080201gasol_trade.html



The previous years record:
1 z - Dallas 67 15 .817 - 36-5 31-10 14-2 40-12 100.0 92.8 +7.2 Won 1 6-4
2 y - Phoenix 61 21 .744 6 33-8 28-13 11-5 36-16 110.2 102.9 +7.3 Lost 2 7-3
3 x - San Antonio 58 24 .707 9 31-10 27-14 10-6 38-14 98.5 90.1 +8.4 Lost 3 6-4
4 y - Utah 51 31 .622 16 31-10 20-21 10-6 32-20 101.5 98.6 +2.9 Won 2 4-6
5 x - Houston 52 30 .634 15 28-13 24-17 8-8 28-24 97.0 92.1 +4.9 Lost 1 6-4
6 x - Denver 45 37 .549 22 23-18 22-19 9-7 27-25 105.4 103.7 +1.6 Won 2 9-1
7 x - LA Lakers 42 40 .512 25 25-16 17-24 10-6 28-24 103.3 103.4 -0.1 Won 2 4-6
8 x - Golden State 42 40 .512 25 30-11 12-29 6-10 28-24 106.5 106.9 -0.3 Won 5 9-1

LA Clippers 40 42 .488 27 25-16 15-26 8-8 23-29 95.6 96.1 -0.5 Lost 1 5-5
New Orleans 39 43 .476 28 24-17 15-26 6-10 23-29 95.5 97.1 -1.6 Won 2 7-3
Sacramento 33 49 .402 34 20-21 13-28 5-11 18-34 101.3 103.1 -1.8 Lost 2 3-7
Portland 32 50 .390 35 18-23 14-27 7-9 19-33 94.1 98.4 -4.3 Lost 2 3-7
Minnesota 32 50 .390 35 20-21 12-29 6-10 18-34 96.1 99.7 -3.7 Lost 7 2-8
Oklahoma City 31 51 .378 36 20-21 11-30 8-8 18-34 99.1 102.0 -2.9 Lost 5 1-9
Memphis 22 60 .268 45 14-27 8-33 2-14 14-38 101.6 106.7 -5.1 Won 3 4-6


Their record before the trade:
The Lakers were one of the NBA's best teams before the 20-year-old Bynum injured his left knee Jan. 13 against Memphis, coincidentally. Los Angeles had a 28-16 record entering Friday night's game at Toronto but had lost five of eight since Bynum was injured.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3226203


So were they a playoff team before gasol, yes. Were they better before gasol then the current warriors... yes. But they only became great after getting gasol. And Kobe wanted to bolt for a better team before they got him.

No way do I think Ellis is Kobe, but Ellis is one level under him and I don't think you trade that just to get two good players. I think they need a bench, the a Center. So hold on to your 1-4 positions and then aquire good pieces via draft or trading your other ok players for a single good player.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:37 pm
42-40 is one of the best teams???? kidding me
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:48 pm
8th ave wrote:42-40 is one of the best teams???? kidding me




The point was well shown that the Lakers were not a great team before PGasol, it is easier to see, I go that wrong. That team before PGasol got there was quite awful though. Other than Kobe, only Odom was any good. Think this Warriors team is more talented than that Lakers team
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:52 am
Good article on both Beans and Udoh and what the future may hold at the C position:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/01/31/SPSP1HGOJT.DTL&ao=all#ixzz1Cj9jtvK8
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That is an interesting article. I think Udoh definitely needs to take his time and learn how to play the NBA game.

However, it is a little disconcerting to see just how much effort and time Smart will put in to making Biedrins feel comfortable while not giving the same kind of effort for Udoh. In my opinion the best player should play the most minutes, not the player who the coach likes more. Udoh has to feel very weird about the relationship between Smart and Biedrins, I know I would.

It's going to be a tough road for Udoh if this is the way things will be for him in GS.
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WarriorHawk87 wrote:That is an interesting article. I think Udoh definitely needs to take his time and learn how to play the NBA game.

However, it is a little disconcerting to see just how much effort and time Smart will put in to making Biedrins feel comfortable while not giving the same kind of effort for Udoh. In my opinion the best player should play the most minutes, not the player who the coach likes more. Udoh has to feel very weird about the relationship between Smart and Biedrins, I know I would.

It's going to be a tough road for Udoh if this is the way things will be for him in GS.



I agree the best player should get the most minutes... and that has been Beans. He plays better overal D and rebounds more per 48 minutes. But Udoh shows more potential for back to the basket Offense and shot blocking. But that is being developed... i don't mind Beans getting more minutes, but what I don't like is when he goes small and plays Lee at C instead of using Udoh. Or when he uses Gadz before Udoh.
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Player, Team Min Pts Reb Ast
1. John Wall, Wizards 37.2 15.0 4.0 9.3
2. Evan Turner, 76ers 24.7 7.4 4.5 2.0
3. Derrick Favors, Nets 19.3 6.6 5.0 0.4
4. Wes Johnson, T'Wolves 27.3 9.4 2.8 2.0
5. DeMarcus Cousins, Kings 26.3 13.5 7.7 1.8
6. Ekpe Udoh, Warriors 12.1 2.7 2.1 0.7
7. Greg Monroe, Pistons 23.7 6.8 6.3 0.8
8. Al-Farouq Aminu, Clippers 17.6 6.5 3.5 0.8
9. Gordon Hayward, Jazz 11.6 3.2 1.6 0.7
10. Paul George, Pacers 16.5 7.1 2.9 0.9



The rookies are doing awful this season, no real great one among them going by the numbers
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:38 am
Well...you are forgetting about Blake Griffin who is also counted as a rookie this season.
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Guybrush wrote:Well...you are forgetting about Blake Griffin who is also counted as a rookie this season.



He wasn't on that list, but yes
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Are there any Biedrins fans still out there?

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His one good game a month isn't worth his 15 bad ones, it's time for him to find a new team to disappoint.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:14 pm
How depressing.. Maybe he needs to start spiking his hair again or something?! Where's Big Dre'! C'mon homie, be aggresive, show you don't give a phuck and start jamming on heads! You are athletic enough, you are quicker than alot of C's. JUST DO IT! Maybe he needs a Nike endorsement..?
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