The Looming Lockout-season 2011 ?

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» Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:06 pm
Its a long read something important to the future of every NBA team including the warriors concerning the COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT expiring next year, long read, try to put all the important items of concern from the article, but I recommend reading the entire piece.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/warriors/2 ... -warriors/

When the opening proposal of your upcoming labor negotiations is described by one source as “just a photocopy of [Commissioner David] Stern’s middle finger,” you may be on your way to a lockout.  The NBA is in the midst of one of its busiest off-seasons ever, but we should enjoy the activity while it lasts.  With the collective bargaining agreement — the governing document for player and owner relations — once again up for negotiation next summer, the 2011 off-season may be an extended vacation.  Here’s how the key issues in play might be shaping the Warriors’ current decisions.

On July 1, 2011, the collective bargaining agreement between players and owners will expire.

Unless certain provisions have been put in place, the owners will lock the doors to the gyms — and the direct deposits into players’ bank accounts will stop.

Right now, both sides are digging in — and there’s good reason to believe the dramatic changes being discussed will lead to a drawn out dispute.

At the risk of gross over-simplification, the owners are entering these negotiations looking to cut costs with many NBA teams allegedly losing tens of millions of dollars annually — while the players are looking to hold onto their current earning power.  These opposing forces will play out through a few issues:

Adjustment of basketball related income (”BRI”)

Implementation of a hard cap

Lower salaries and shorter deals
Taken as a package, the owners are likely to push for a lower cap with fewer loopholes and player contracts that are cheaper and shorter.  If these changes come to pass, the remnants of the old system may alter the power dynamic of the NBA. 

Its implications on the warriors-

When you consider the nightmare scenario — a year-long lockout — there could be a mega-free-agency period in the summer of 2012 with two years’ worth of free agents hitting the market.  By my understanding (and someone please correct me if I’m wrong), players don’t get paid during the lockout, but the terms of their contracts continue to run

Therefore, someone with a deal ending in the summer of 2012 (say, Charlie Bell) might not get paid for the 11-12 season, but his contract will still end at the scheduled time.  For the Warriors, this would allow them to hit pause on any deals that expire at the end of next season (say, Brandan Wright) — then wait a year for the labor situation to sort itself out — and choose from two years of free agents in reassembling the team.  Lee, Ellis, Biedrins, Wright, Curry and Udoh would still be under contract — the rest of the roster would be up for grabs.  The same principle about capped out teams holds here as well — squads like Lakers, Mavs and Heat would almost certainly be capped out under a lower figure and less able to utilize exceptions to round out their squads.  On the other hands, teams without much long-term salary commitment will have room to sign current free agents to much more affordable deals.  The Warriors would be closer to the latter category than the former.
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» Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:56 pm
call me crazy, but i'm looking forward to what the new CBA has to offer... i hope it evens out the playing field so that franchises like the wolves and clippers have a chance to be decent... i also hope the cba fuks up miami's big 3

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» Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:31 pm
The CBA has nothing to do with the Wolves and Clippers being decent. That comes from years of crappy decisions in the front office. And tight-fisted owners.

The CBA is the same for all teams, and always has been, so I don't quite get your argument? Again, teams like the Wolves and Clippers suck because they make crap draft picks and make crap trades. CBA is irrelevant.
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» Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:23 pm
The CBA doesn't effect teams? You think that a team in Minnesota, Oklahoma City, Portland, or Toronto can pay the same amount as a NYC, Boston, Chicago or Miami team? That every team can afford to pay the taxes for going over the cap? Or that every team can even afford to pay up to the cap?

Besides, the new CBA isn't so much about evening out the playing field between teams, so much as its about making the sport profitable again. Many teams lost money last year, and the biggest layout of their cash in in player salaries. Twenty million a year on a single player is a lot, especially as its GUARANTEED. Hell, the league itself lost cash the last couple years.

Will it mean a level playing field? At least better than it is now. Front offices will always make bad decisions, draft picks will hit of miss, players will get hurt or unhappy, but with a more manageable pay scale, teams will be on the same level again.
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» Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:30 pm
drazz wrote:The CBA doesn't effect teams? You think that a team in Minnesota, Oklahoma City, Portland, or Toronto can pay the same amount as a NYC, Boston, Chicago or Miami team? That every team can afford to pay the taxes for going over the cap? Or that every team can even afford to pay up to the cap?

Besides, the new CBA isn't so much about evening out the playing field between teams, so much as its about making the sport profitable again. Many teams lost money last year, and the biggest layout of their cash in in player salaries. Twenty million a year on a single player is a lot, especially as its GUARANTEED. Hell, the league itself lost cash the last couple years.

Will it mean a level playing field? At least better than it is now. Front offices will always make bad decisions, draft picks will hit of miss, players will get hurt or unhappy, but with a more manageable pay scale, teams will be on the same level again.



It'd be great if the new CBA really does even things up and halp the teams that have less money and smaller markets. You can't have a proper league without balance and the nba is going in the opposite direction lately

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» Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:35 pm
Well attendance in the NBA is horrible. I see those teams who are suffering financially (more than half the teams lost money the last two seasons) trying to show their might and having a list of demands. It will be interesting to see what negotiations the players union will end up conceding to the owners, who seem to have an advantage at this point due to the economy being horrible.
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» Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:59 pm
Mr. Crackerz wrote:Well attendance in the NBA is horrible. I see those teams who are suffering financially (more than half the teams lost money the last two seasons) trying to show their might and having a list of demands. It will be interesting to see what negotiations the players union will end up conceding to the owners, who seem to have an advantage at this point due to the economy being horrible.



If there are many teams losing money, then something has to be done and that something should be giving more leverage to franchises and not imposing lessrights to both franchises and players,which could be something the nba would do, to take more power their way to control more of what goes on between franchises and the players

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» Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:44 am
Mr. Crackers hit the main point, which is owners are losing money (bad economy), and in order to get some of that money back they want to cut salaries down and the NBA players association wants none of that. Owners also are seeking some elements of a hard cap which is a departure from the current luxury-tax system. The hard cap will offer relatively few (if any) circumstances under which teams can exceed the salary cap, compared to the soft cap which is in place now that allows significant exceptions that allow teams to exceed the salary cap to sign players.

This will be a tug of war with the economy in the state that it's in, its going to be tuff to negotiate on both sides since money is so limited. Life without basketball scary thought.
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» Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:59 am
warriorsstepup wrote:Mr. Crackers hit the main point, which is owners are losing money (bad economy), and in order to get some of that money back they want to cut salaries down and the NBA players association wants none of that. Owners also are seeking some elements of a hard cap which is a departure from the current luxury-tax system. The hard cap will offer relatively few (if any) circumstances under which teams can exceed the salary cap, compared to the soft cap which is in place now that allows significant exceptions that allow teams to exceed the salary cap to sign players.

This will be a tug of war with the economy in the state that it's in, its going to be tuff to negotiate on both sides since money is so limited. Life without basketball scary thought.



And it really is not fair being allowed to go over the cap with these exceptions, because the teams that make more money can afford to do so and those that don't really can't.

I'm all for a hard cap for that reason alone

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» Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:17 am
only weak FO will looking for help from the league... heats played by the rules, they sucked for how many seasons before they got to todays level?

heats, and knicks mentioned it on 2006 FA, that they were gonna try to build a monster team. how come no one cries during lakres ownage with gasol joining in? like when NBA gave Lakers Gasol for free? now heats got big three(by saving money and be able to sign lbj and bosh) and everyones crying about it lol its their own decision to make which team they wanna go play.... its America, FREEDOM!
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» Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:17 pm
Talking about Heat. I think the salary cap system is wrong. It allows a player to sign a ridiculous contract for a shot to the title. The phenomenon with players running around searching for a team to give them hope for a ring, is starting to be Hilarius. I believe they should change the salary cap and account not only the contract's but also the financial value of the players. The American leagues are better from the European's because the team's are more even. This season for the first time in 25 years that i watch NBA there is a team with a 75% chance to get the tittle. And that is a problem my friends. (except for Heat funs).
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» Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:11 pm
facue420 wrote:only weak FO will looking for help from the league... heats played by the rules, they sucked for how many seasons before they got to todays level?

heats, and knicks mentioned it on 2006 FA, that they were gonna try to build a monster team. how come no one cries during lakres ownage with gasol joining in? like when NBA gave Lakers Gasol for free? now heats got big three(by saving money and be able to sign lbj and bosh) and everyones crying about it lol its their own decision to make which team they wanna go play.... its America, FREEDOM!



I see your point totally and you are right on the fact that the Heat, and also the Knicks, freed up money to be able to sign the three stars they now have. That was a fair move and they really didn't do anything against the rules salarycap wise. They really don't have anyone else after those three stars anyway.

The thing is to even things up between teams, as the teams that lose money will not go over the luxury tax, where as the richer teams, like Dallas, New York, Lakers etc., can and still make money every year. That's what needs to be fixed

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» Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:13 pm
facue420 wrote:only weak FO will looking for help from the league... heats played by the rules, they sucked for how many seasons before they got to todays level?

heats, and knicks mentioned it on 2006 FA, that they were gonna try to build a monster team. how come no one cries during lakres ownage with gasol joining in? like when NBA gave Lakers Gasol for free? now heats got big three(by saving money and be able to sign lbj and bosh) and everyones crying about it lol its their own decision to make which team they wanna go play.... its America, FREEDOM!


True but look at the teams with the highest payrolls, no secret they find themselves in playoff contention year in and year out, like the Lakers having a payroll over 90 million, playoff teams like the Magic, Celtics find themselves right up there, while teams like the Warriors try to squeeze out a total payroll of 60 million.

But if there is a lock-out in 2011, the article says that player contracts will expire accordingly, meaning the warriors will still have their main core on contract Ellis-Beans-Curry-D-Wright-David Lee, with no other contracts on the books. Meaning they could have ample money to spend on the coming free-agency, which will have 2011 and 2012 free agents on that list, so if the lock-out does happen it would be un-bearable but the warriors could come out looking like a different team, a much much better team if they pick up the right players of course.

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» Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:32 pm
a little off the subject .....but if they lock out the players , it will be cool that nellie will be even more insignificant for his final year
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» Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:59 pm
JOEL wrote:a little off the subject .....but if they lock out the players , it will be cool that nellie will be even more insignificant for his final year



The lockout, if it happens, will ont be from next offseason, so possibly going into next season, not this one, which is nelson's final season of his contract. Unfortunately, he could be the coach for one more full season, unless the new owners get rid of him soon

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