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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:42 am
Check out this cool story of Clifford helping out the Celtic Bigs. There's also a nice video on him and the '75 Championship team-too short though!
I'd forgotten they swept the Bullets with Big E and Wes Unseld.

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Ray was an example of a successful specialist center. He wasn't all that big and couldn't shoot at all, but defended, rebounded, passed and outlet the ball nicely.

They couldn't cheat off of him because he and Barry had the all-time best pick and roll, one no team ever solved.

Food for thought if the team can't get a star well-rounded center.

Yes, and the Ws truly destroyed the Bullets. If you think the eastern media bias is bad today, in 1975 they probably saw very few games from the west and had no idea. They were practically crying as the Ws out-classed the heavily favored Bullets. It was funny.

The Ws were even disrespected after the 4-0 win, with all sorts of excuses as to why the eastern powerhouse was swept. Actually, Barry was a true all-time superstar and was so much quicker than anyone they could put on him. The Ws were deep in excellent players and coach Attles used the very quick and energetic bench extensively. The Ws generally ran other teams off the court in the fourth quarter and the ponderous Bullets simply ran out of gas.

And it was made all the more entertaining because of the broadcasting by Bill King, a superstar in his own right.
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Great article! Do you think a guy like Clifford Ray might be a big help for a team that plays small ball? Just saying, we could certainly use an assistant coach like that.

Interesting how Ray and Barry are lifelong friends. I found this snippet especially interesting...

What it gave him, too, was an unlikely friend. He and Barry -- the mellow role player and the snarly star -- talk by phone weekly, sometimes more. They take annual fishing vacations; last summer they went to Alaska together and they're scheduled to go again this year. Their sons each call the other fellow "Uncle." Barry is Ray's biggest booster for a more fulfilling, more lucrative role on an NBA bench (he would love to see Thibodeau take Ray back to the Bulls to work with Joakim Noah). And Ray sees in Barry a guy rarely glimpsed by others, those put off by the prickly personality.


Since Barry is on the Warriors payroll now, teaching Beans to shoot FTs, it would be cool to get Ray on board with us also. Perhaps that's unrealistic but I'd like to see as many of the great old Warriors coaching the new Warriors as possible.
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Chum wrote:Great article! Do you think a guy like Clifford Ray might be a big help for a team that plays small ball? Just saying, we could certainly use an assistant coach like that.

Interesting how Ray and Barry are lifelong friends. I found this snippet especially interesting...

What it gave him, too, was an unlikely friend. He and Barry -- the mellow role player and the snarly star -- talk by phone weekly, sometimes more. They take annual fishing vacations; last summer they went to Alaska together and they're scheduled to go again this year. Their sons each call the other fellow "Uncle." Barry is Ray's biggest booster for a more fulfilling, more lucrative role on an NBA bench (he would love to see Thibodeau take Ray back to the Bulls to work with Joakim Noah). And Ray sees in Barry a guy rarely glimpsed by others, those put off by the prickly personality.


Since Barry is on the Warriors payroll now, teaching Beans to shoot FTs, it would be cool to get Ray on board with us also. Perhaps that's unrealistic but I'd like to see as many of the great old Warriors coaching the new Warriors as possible.


Barry was always trying to get Ray hired as a coach for the big men. He really admired him for finding a way to succeed despite not having much athletic ability.

Of course the wise Warrior leadership knew that the bigs were beyond needing any help.

And it is doubtful that Nelson wanted anyone connected to the last real coaching staff. It might be all for the better for Ray, normally a nice and peaceful person who would probably have to say something if one of his big men ended up in the doghouse or wasn't used properly.

But, bring him back when the new ownership takes over.

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carlgo wrote:Ray was an example of a successful specialist center. He wasn't all that big and couldn't shoot at all, but defended, rebounded, passed and outlet the ball nicely.

They couldn't cheat off of him because he and Barry had the all-time best pick and roll, one no team ever solved.

Food for thought if the team can't get a star well-rounded center.

Yes, and the Ws truly destroyed the Bullets. If you think the eastern media bias is bad today, in 1975 they probably saw very few games from the west and had no idea. They were practically crying as the Ws out-classed the heavily favored Bullets. It was funny.

The Ws were even disrespected after the 4-0 win, with all sorts of excuses as to why the eastern powerhouse was swept. Actually, Barry was a true all-time superstar and was so much quicker than anyone they could put on him. The Ws were deep in excellent players and coach Attles used the very quick and energetic bench extensively. The Ws generally ran other teams off the court in the fourth quarter and the ponderous Bullets simply ran out of gas.

And it was made all the more entertaining because of the broadcasting by Bill King, a superstar in his own right.


A couple of thoughts. I remember this series and Bill King was an exceptional annoucer and quite the entertainer in his own right. Very Colorful character and I miss him calling games.

Ray was a monster defensive center, true he couldn't shoot at all, got some dunks here and there, but he closed off the paint for the other team. He was an extremely strong inside presence and his defensive skills were not as lacking as some might think. No offense, but he was there defensively.

I would like to see Beans go to the under hand free throw, couldn't be much worse than it is now. Barry was Mr. Automatic on free throws with that silly looking underhanded free throw. I am not sure where he finished as the all time free thrower, but I bet it was pretty high. I remember one time they put a blindfold on him and he made something like 20 or so in a row before he missed. Anyway, I just enjoyed that year.

If anyone remembers and it has been a long time, but it seems to me that they didn't expect the W's to make it and they had to play one or two games at the Cow Palace because the Coliseum was booked for another event or something like that. Am I remembering that right????

Anyway, nice stroll down memory lane.

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carlgo wrote:Ray was an example of a successful specialist center. He wasn't all that big and couldn't shoot at all, but defended, rebounded, passed and outlet the ball nicely.

They couldn't cheat off of him because he and Barry had the all-time best pick and roll, one no team ever solved.

Food for thought if the team can't get a star well-rounded center.

Yes, and the Ws truly destroyed the Bullets. If you think the eastern media bias is bad today, in 1975 they probably saw very few games from the west and had no idea. They were practically crying as the Ws out-classed the heavily favored Bullets. It was funny.

The Ws were even disrespected after the 4-0 win, with all sorts of excuses as to why the eastern powerhouse was swept. Actually, Barry was a true all-time superstar and was so much quicker than anyone they could put on him. The Ws were deep in excellent players and coach Attles used the very quick and energetic bench extensively. The Ws generally ran other teams off the court in the fourth quarter and the ponderous Bullets simply ran out of gas.

And it was made all the more entertaining because of the broadcasting by Bill King, a superstar in his own right.


A couple of thoughts. I remember this series and Bill King was an exceptional annoucer and quite the entertainer in his own right. Very Colorful character and I miss him calling games.

Ray was a monster defensive center, true he couldn't shoot at all, got some dunks here and there, but he closed off the paint for the other team. He was an extremely strong inside presence and his defensive skills were not as lacking as some might think. No offense, but he was there defensively.

I would like to see Beans go to the under hand free throw, couldn't be much worse than it is now. Barry was Mr. Automatic on free throws with that silly looking underhanded free throw. I am not sure where he finished as the all time free thrower, but I bet it was pretty high. I remember one time they put a blindfold on him and he made something like 20 or so in a row before he missed. Anyway, I just enjoyed that year.

If anyone remembers and it has been a long time, but it seems to me that they didn't expect the W's to make it and they had to play one or two games at the Cow Palace because the Coliseum was booked for another event or something like that. Am I remembering that right????

Anyway, nice stroll down memory lane.


Decided to answer my own question about where Barry was on the all time list. Formatting didn't hold up to good, but Barry was #3 on the top 10 free throwers in NBA history at 90%, however look at his attempts and made. Many more than Mark Price or Steve Nash and he is just a tiny bit behind the leader at 90.4%. This is from nba.com


Player FTM FTA FT%
1. Mark Price 2,135 2,362 .904
2. Steve Nash 2,577 2,853 .903
3. Rick Barry 3,818 4,243 .900
4. Peja Stojakovic 2,214 2,475 .895
5. Ray Allen 3,863 4,321 .894
6. Chauncey Billups 3,972 4,455 .892
6. Calvin Murphy 3,445 3,864 .892
8. Scott Skiles 1,548 1,741 .889
9. Reggie Miller 6,237 7,026 .888
10. Larry Bird 3,960 4,471 .886
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carlgo wrote:Ray was an example of a successful specialist center. He wasn't all that big and couldn't shoot at all, but defended, rebounded, passed and outlet the ball nicely.

They couldn't cheat off of him because he and Barry had the all-time best pick and roll, one no team ever solved.

Food for thought if the team can't get a star well-rounded center.

Yes, and the Ws truly destroyed the Bullets. If you think the eastern media bias is bad today, in 1975 they probably saw very few games from the west and had no idea. They were practically crying as the Ws out-classed the heavily favored Bullets. It was funny.

The Ws were even disrespected after the 4-0 win, with all sorts of excuses as to why the eastern powerhouse was swept. Actually, Barry was a true all-time superstar and was so much quicker than anyone they could put on him. The Ws were deep in excellent players and coach Attles used the very quick and energetic bench extensively. The Ws generally ran other teams off the court in the fourth quarter and the ponderous Bullets simply ran out of gas.

And it was made all the more entertaining because of the broadcasting by Bill King, a superstar in his own right.


A couple of thoughts. I remember this series and Bill King was an exceptional annoucer and quite the entertainer in his own right. Very Colorful character and I miss him calling games.

Ray was a monster defensive center, true he couldn't shoot at all, got some dunks here and there, but he closed off the paint for the other team. He was an extremely strong inside presence and his defensive skills were not as lacking as some might think. No offense, but he was there defensively.

I would like to see Beans go to the under hand free throw, couldn't be much worse than it is now. Barry was Mr. Automatic on free throws with that silly looking underhanded free throw. I am not sure where he finished as the all time free thrower, but I bet it was pretty high. I remember one time they put a blindfold on him and he made something like 20 or so in a row before he missed. Anyway, I just enjoyed that year.

If anyone remembers and it has been a long time, but it seems to me that they didn't expect the W's to make it and they had to play one or two games at the Cow Palace because the Coliseum was booked for another event or something like that. Am I remembering that right????

Anyway, nice stroll down memory lane.


Decided to answer my own question about where Barry was on the all time list. Formatting didn't hold up to good, but Barry was #3 on the top 10 free throwers in NBA history at 90%, however look at his attempts and made. Many more than Mark Price or Steve Nash and he is just a tiny bit behind the leader at 90.4%. This is from nba.com


Player FTM FTA FT%
1. Mark Price 2,135 2,362 .904
2. Steve Nash 2,577 2,853 .903
3. Rick Barry 3,818 4,243 .900
4. Peja Stojakovic 2,214 2,475 .895
5. Ray Allen 3,863 4,321 .894
6. Chauncey Billups 3,972 4,455 .892
6. Calvin Murphy 3,445 3,864 .892
8. Scott Skiles 1,548 1,741 .889
9. Reggie Miller 6,237 7,026 .888
10. Larry Bird 3,960 4,471 .886


Thanks for posting that Blue & Gold. I think that considering Barry's attempts (as you pointed out) and how miniscule the % is between 1st, 2nd and 3rd you'd have to say Barry was/is the best FT shooter of all time.
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carlgo wrote:Ray was an example of a successful specialist center. He wasn't all that big and couldn't shoot at all, but defended, rebounded, passed and outlet the ball nicely.

They couldn't cheat off of him because he and Barry had the all-time best pick and roll, one no team ever solved.

Food for thought if the team can't get a star well-rounded center.

Yes, and the Ws truly destroyed the Bullets. If you think the eastern media bias is bad today, in 1975 they probably saw very few games from the west and had no idea. They were practically crying as the Ws out-classed the heavily favored Bullets. It was funny.

The Ws were even disrespected after the 4-0 win, with all sorts of excuses as to why the eastern powerhouse was swept. Actually, Barry was a true all-time superstar and was so much quicker than anyone they could put on him. The Ws were deep in excellent players and coach Attles used the very quick and energetic bench extensively. The Ws generally ran other teams off the court in the fourth quarter and the ponderous Bullets simply ran out of gas.

And it was made all the more entertaining because of the broadcasting by Bill King, a superstar in his own right.


A couple of thoughts. I remember this series and Bill King was an exceptional annoucer and quite the entertainer in his own right. Very Colorful character and I miss him calling games.

Ray was a monster defensive center, true he couldn't shoot at all, got some dunks here and there, but he closed off the paint for the other team. He was an extremely strong inside presence and his defensive skills were not as lacking as some might think. No offense, but he was there defensively.

I would like to see Beans go to the under hand free throw, couldn't be much worse than it is now. Barry was Mr. Automatic on free throws with that silly looking underhanded free throw. I am not sure where he finished as the all time free thrower, but I bet it was pretty high. I remember one time they put a blindfold on him and he made something like 20 or so in a row before he missed. Anyway, I just enjoyed that year.

If anyone remembers and it has been a long time, but it seems to me that they didn't expect the W's to make it and they had to play one or two games at the Cow Palace because the Coliseum was booked for another event or something like that. Am I remembering that right????

Anyway, nice stroll down memory lane.


I heard on the radio someplace recently that it was Barry's idea to play at the Cow Palace because he felt the Ws would shoot well in the Palace and the Bullets would be lost in the unfamiliar surroundings. I think it was because the Ws had played in the cavernous place and knew how to shoot there. The closer baskets are to the wall, the easier it is to shoot. I know that going into a big place with the baskets hanging out in space took some getting used to. Give me those old gyms, dimly lit, the court short and the baskets close and homey.
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The rumor is we'll be trading AR for Love. I would LOVE to have Clifford Ray mold a player like Kevin Love. Given the beefiness and rebounding abilities of Love I would imagine an influence like Ray would turn Love into a true defensive presence in the low post.

ARRRGGHHH!!! WHY WON'T THE WARRIORS FOCUS ON DEFENSE!?!?! At least a little. I don't see why defense and fast paced basketball need to be mutual exclusive.
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Chum wrote:The rumor is we'll be trading AR for Love. I would LOVE to have Clifford Ray mold a player like Kevin Love. Given the beefiness and rebounding abilities of Love I would imagine an influence like Ray would turn Love into a true defensive presence in the low post.

ARRRGGHHH!!! WHY WON'T THE WARRIORS FOCUS ON DEFENSE!?!?! At least a little. I don't see why defense and fast paced basketball need to be mutual exclusive.


I'm quoting myself and bringing this Clifford Ray article up because...

- We ended up with Lee instead of Love for AR. Both Lee and Love are great rebounding PFs. The bonus here is that Lee is also a great scorer.
- Both Lee and Love happen to be great rebounders AND poor defenders.
- Clifford Ray is STILL exactly what the Warriors need. Now he can teach Lee how to play D instead of Love.

We got our rebounder people. Now let's demand we get a big man coach who can actually teach our big men how to play DEFENSE! Clifford Ray could/would be a huge influence on Lee and Biedrins, and imagine what he could do with Udoh. If Udoh has the potential to be a great defensive center then Clifford Ray is the man who can get that out of him.

One more thing, we still need another center. Please GM Riley, get Gortat now. We won't have to trade away a starter for him. Then get Clifford Ray to teach our bigs how to play some D.

New owner, whoever you are... THINK DEFENSE PLEASE!!!

edit to add: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhwq3dhh7g8

edit to add: Maybe we could get Kendrick Perkins?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:07 pm
Clifford Ray has also been acknowledged as the guy who mentored, tutored, and pushed Dwight Howard at the beginning of Dwight Howard's career.

Clifford Ray had worked on the Warrior coaching staff back during the Dave Cowens era.

It would be nice to see the Warriors bring back some of the past players to help rebuild this franchise.

BTW, George Johnson, Clifford Ray's backup center, had also shot his free throws underhanded.

Man, it was pretty special to have had watched those teams from the early and mid-1970s.
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uptempo wrote:It would be nice to see the Warriors bring back some of the past players to help rebuild this franchise.



Agreed, I think we should start with Mullin! :wink:
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uptempo wrote:It would be nice to see the Warriors bring back some of the past players to help rebuild this franchise.



Agreed, I think we should start with Mullin! :wink:


Mullin's tenure as the front office guy was a disaster; 1 playoff appearance in 5 seasons is worse than mediocre. He also hired Nelson.

Decent player; not good front office Guy.
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uptempo wrote:It would be nice to see the Warriors bring back some of the past players to help rebuild this franchise.



Agreed, I think we should start with Mullin! :wink:


Mullin's tenure as the front office guy was a disaster; 1 playoff appearance in 5 seasons is worse than mediocre. He also hired Nelson.

Decent player; not good front office Guy.


sarcasm and irony is completely lost on you huh uptempo
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uptempo wrote:
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uptempo wrote:It would be nice to see the Warriors bring back some of the past players to help rebuild this franchise.



Agreed, I think we should start with Mullin! :wink:


Mullin's tenure as the front office guy was a disaster; 1 playoff appearance in 5 seasons is worse than mediocre. He also hired Nelson.

Decent player; not good front office Guy.


sarcasm and irony is completely lost on you huh uptempo


Don't be a troll bada
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Just admit we need Clifford Ray as an assistant coach on the Warriors :)
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