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I keep hearing people say oh my god hes going to be the next bosh/garnett/odom type of player which is just flat out ridiculous to say. He doesn't even have one bit of an offensive identity, a move he can go to. he can't even play defense down there without getting pushed around. (see la game where odom shoved him all the way back to the 3point line from inside the key). hes more of a liability than a benefit to us. he can't go up against the bigs at all. if he was going to be a star we would have seen flashes and I have seen none. they said he gained 20 lbs last summer and hes still scrawny as hell. same situation with brandon wright. these two won't be stars. book it.
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lol, that's all I have at the moment.
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BW hook is unplayable.
It depends on who's going to get minutes. Right now I can see Nelson using this rotation for next year. Tolliver > Randolph = Wright at 4 or 5 spot.
Going to agree with the OP, JREED23 and somewhat with D4rk One...
AR is not and will not be a good power forward. He'll never have the bulk to hold his ground in the paint, and his scoring ability comes from driving the open lane.
I somewhat agree with D4rk One because I believe he has the potential to be a top notch SF, not from an offensive aspect, but from a defensive aspect. He's still listed at 6'10" but he looks more like 6'11" or 7'0". He has a huge wingspan. He's much faster and more agile than most players his size.
IMHO the Warriors need two dedicated defenders. One in the paint and one on the wing. I'm hoping AR can become that dedicated defender on the wing.
If AR can't cut is at SF he is a liability to this team. He isn't PF material. Here comes the part where I probably get slammed...
Tolliver is the best PF on the Warriors. I'm not saying he is a better athelete than AR, but I do think he is a better athelete than Wright, and he is a better defender than either AR or Wright. I'm also not saying Tolliver is an ideal starter, he isn't, but he's the best player the Warriors have at the PF position.
The PF spot is really the weakest position on the team. We are stronger at the center spot with Beans/Turiaf/Hunter. Those three guys are all decent centers, but lack the footspeed to play PF.
We need to try AR at the SF position and we need to trade, or draft, a top notch PF.
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To put it the most simply-If Randolph was playing 36 minutes a game, about 5.5 less than Monta currently plays, Randolph would we be a 19 PPG and 10 RPG. player. So as a 19/10 man that would put Randolph at 20 years old in the company of 5 other PF's in the NBA. Bosh, Boozer,Z.Randolph, P. Gasol and A.Jefferson. If we were to widen that to all NBA PF's and Centers, that would also include, D. Howard, Duncan and D. Lee. So Randolph is in an elite company of the top 8 Centers and PF's. This isn't some time in the future where we are projecting him to be a "star" WhateverTF that means! This is actually happening right now.
Now you could say, that you don't think Randolph could produce at that high a rate if he played fulltime. ---OK, but how much do you realistically think his numbers would go down, what maybe 17-9???16-8????
Let me put it another way. If you had a woman who was performing for you at 19 points a game, and rebounding YOU at 10 rebounds a game. What would you do??
A) Dump the Bitch!, She's too young, besides she doesn't do what I want her to do. ( Not that I've ever told her what I want her to do.) Anyway, get rid of her, she's too much work! B) Hold on to her. God! Could she be the one? I WAS expecting a woman with maybe 30 PPG and 15 rebounds, but maybe I could settle for this.
Probably the most intelligent case anyone could make for trading Randolph is that they don't want to trade Curry, and we'd have to trade Randolph to just get rid of Maggette's or AB's big contracts. That would be a good point. But I don't even put much faith in that, Maggette is having a career year for Maggette. And I would estimate there are at least 20 contracts in the NBA worse than Maggettes, when narrow down the number of those 20 who would accept playing as a 6th man, they are even more. ( Not that we shouldn't try to shed Magg's contract. )
I think AR alongside a realized Cousins, ( though that maybe a few years away ) would be a good combination, or at the very least put us in the middle of the pack in rebounding, instead of dead last, which is what we presently are. Randolph playing alongside a rejuvenated Beidrins could make us perfectly adequate.
One question that is intriguing, could there be a 19/10 PF in the NBA who couldn't even make it into the first string of an NBA team, and would be eventually minimized and traded??? Probably only one- and that would be with a team led by Don Nelson.
Um, you can't shut me up
AR is too thin and weak to hold his own in the paint. He's not cut out for the PF position. I still say move him to SF and see how he does. Put beef in the paint, not string beans.
I'm having a hard time following this post but I'll single out the players you are comparing AR to...
Chris Bosh: 6-10, 230lbs, PF
- Soft and overrated. Makes his money on short jumpers. A Dirk Nowitzki type player. He needs a tough inside presence to help him out in the paint. Otherwise no ring for this guy's team.
Carlos Boozer: 6-9, 266lbs, PF
- Tough tough tough. This guy could be part of a championship puzzle. He controls the paint.
Zach Randolph: 6-9, 260lbs, PF
- Tough in the paint. Can back anyone down. Explosive.
Pau Gasol: 7-0, 250lbs., PF/C
- Can shot over anyone. Oversized at the PF position. An elite bigman who plays a skill game but can also play tough in the paint when needed. Has beefy Bynum to help out in the paint.
Al Jefferson: 6-10, 265lbs, PF/C
- BEEF! This guy is big and he plays big. He uses his size to gain position and he keeps position. Can score, block and rebound. Controls the paint. Not as tough overall as Boozer but a better scorer.
Dwight Howard: 6-11, 265lbs, C
- Best defender in the league. Dominates the paint with size, strength and quickness. Isn't a great scorer and doesn't need to be. Can, and does, win games with defensive domination.
Tim Duncan: 6-11, 260lbs, PF/C
- Hall of Fame! One of the best bigs ever. Domintes with both skill and size.
David Lee: 6-9, 250lbs, C
- Don't know too much about him other than that he is young and rebounds the hell out of the ball.
Anthony Randolph: 6-10, 210lbs, PF
- Notice anything interesting about this guy? He weighs 20lbs less than the next lightest guy listed here, and that guy isn't that great in the paint.
Height and weight certainly isn't the be-all-end-all of the NBA big man, but it is an important factor. AR is about 40 to 50 pounds too light for the PF position, and while Al Jefferson carries a gut around with him, the 40 or 50 pounds those other guys have on AR is muscle, NBA big man muscle. These guys can all hip check AR across the court.
Championship teams have big beefy guys that "control" the paint. AR isn't capable of doing that.
This doesn't mean AR can't be a star. We've all seen the kid seemingly fly across half the court and dunk. We've all been wowed by his athletic ability. I think he is extremely talented. His talent just doesn't belong in the paint. IMHO it belongs at the small forward spot where he can use that amazing athletic talent, and length, to shut down other wings.
If Nellie ends up playing him at the PF position next season I hope I'm wrong, because I do want to see AR remain with the Warriors.
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