migya wrote:

bada wrote:

migya wrote:

bada wrote:Of course you take Wall. I am NOT suggesting if we get the 1st pick, we take Wesley Johnson. But with Curry in place, the possibility of trading the rights to Wall for the rights to Johnson plus 3 1st round picks (2012, 2014, 2016) is very intriguing.

I'd rather trade Wall for a star and one or two other established player. Future 1st rounders aren't sure things. Wall can get you alot, he is that hyped

How do you trade Wall ( something that has no salary value) for a STAR?? You cant. We would need to be under the cap by as much as the starts contract. NOT going to happen. I posted about this earlier in the thread.

What I meant is trade Wall with other players with salaries that are pretty high, a good example is Maggette. Wall and Maggette would get a real superstar and one or two other players. If Amare was under contract with Phoenix for example, it'd be like getting Amare and Barbosa for Wall and Maggette or something like that. For AJefferson, it'd be like giving Wall and Maggette or AB for AJefferson, CBrewer and Sessions or something like that. Wall seems so hyped with all this talk of him being a future superstar and a once in a decade player.

You get him here, you don't need hum really and can trade him. You can transition the team from one of the worst to one of the best in one trade, that being with coaching change, even FO change as we've all discussed. Even keeping Monta and Curry, just getting Wall and trading him for AJefferson like I listed above, that's a transition that could make the team a contender, though I'd trade Monta and Maggette, as AB would have to go for AJefferson so AR can be the PF and AJeff Center. Opens things up picking Wall

Chum wrote:

migya wrote:though Chum did say that he could be a SG

Syracuse usually lines him up at the SF position but they do rotate him to the SG position frequently. He's a true swingman. I'd rather see him start as our SG and have him swing to SF if the opposing team's best scorer plays that position. He's a wicked defender.

migya wrote:

War Years wrote:

To your last paragraph, the one I highlighted, I disagree that aJefferson is a bad defender, unless he has become one this season. In what i saw in past seasons from him, he is a very good defender with the ability to be a great one, one of the best big player defenders.

My only experience watching Jefferson is when we've played the T-Wolves. And he's never been the slightest impediment to us scoring in the paint. It wouldn't be a defensive move. But he would grab the boards and sink a lot more points than Beans.
I guess I am a liittle like TMC. Let's see how we draft, then the speculation will really be fun.

We all see things differently, but what I've seen with AJefferson he is a very good defender. He is having a down year, but he has been real good in almost all facets, really all big man facets for the two seasons before this one that he has been in the TWolves

bada wrote:

Chum wrote:

migya wrote:though Chum did say that he could be a SG

Syracuse usually lines him up at the SF position but they do rotate him to the SG position frequently. He's a true swingman. I'd rather see him start as our SG and have him swing to SF if the opposing team's best scorer plays that position. He's a wicked defender.

He is an NBA SF. I have not seen them play him at the "2" in college Chum.. but certainly have not seen all there games or anywhere close to it. I HAVE seen them play him at PF, but the wing is where he will play in the NBA and I think he has the quickness to defend other 2's but SF should be his natural position

bada wrote:

migya wrote:

bada wrote:

migya wrote:

bada wrote:Of course you take Wall. I am NOT suggesting if we get the 1st pick, we take Wesley Johnson. But with Curry in place, the possibility of trading the rights to Wall for the rights to Johnson plus 3 1st round picks (2012, 2014, 2016) is very intriguing.

I'd rather trade Wall for a star and one or two other established player. Future 1st rounders aren't sure things. Wall can get you alot, he is that hyped

How do you trade Wall ( something that has no salary value) for a STAR?? You cant. We would need to be under the cap by as much as the starts contract. NOT going to happen. I posted about this earlier in the thread.

What I meant is trade Wall with other players with salaries that are pretty high, a good example is Maggette. Wall and Maggette would get a real superstar and one or two other players. If Amare was under contract with Phoenix for example, it'd be like getting Amare and Barbosa for Wall and Maggette or something like that. For AJefferson, it'd be like giving Wall and Maggette or AB for AJefferson, CBrewer and Sessions or something like that. Wall seems so hyped with all this talk of him being a future superstar and a once in a decade player.

You get him here, you don't need hum really and can trade him. You can transition the team from one of the worst to one of the best in one trade, that being with coaching change, even FO change as we've all discussed. Even keeping Monta and Curry, just getting Wall and trading him for AJefferson like I listed above, that's a transition that could make the team a contender, though I'd trade Monta and Maggette, as AB would have to go for AJefferson so AR can be the PF and AJeff Center. Opens things up picking Wall

But Migs, that is not enough in terms of salary. Wall and Magette is like 11 mill in salary. Name me a STAR "big"plus a few other players that come to less that 11 mill in salary?

I too would prefer to trade Wall for a PROVEN commodity, however the CBA makes that difficult to get equal value. We would have to package Wall with about 3 or so players to do what you are suggesting. Starts making it hard to get back equal value.

bada wrote:

migya wrote:

War Years wrote:

To your last paragraph, the one I highlighted, I disagree that aJefferson is a bad defender, unless he has become one this season. In what i saw in past seasons from him, he is a very good defender with the ability to be a great one, one of the best big player defenders.

My only experience watching Jefferson is when we've played the T-Wolves. And he's never been the slightest impediment to us scoring in the paint. It wouldn't be a defensive move. But he would grab the boards and sink a lot more points than Beans.
I guess I am a liittle like TMC. Let's see how we draft, then the speculation will really be fun.

We all see things differently, but what I've seen with AJefferson he is a very good defender. He is having a down year, but he has been real good in almost all facets, really all big man facets for the two seasons before this one that he has been in the TWolves

Migs, have you seen Jefferson play this year? He is a MUCH different player than you might remember. He is still certainly an upgrade for us, but his injuries have changed his game. He is strickly a below the rim type player now. He is still an effective low post scorer and pretty good rebounder, but I would not at all classify him as a "defender"

Quazza wrote:Trade wall for Jefferson!? You've got to be kidding?

migya wrote:

bada wrote:

migya wrote:

War Years wrote:

To your last paragraph, the one I highlighted, I disagree that aJefferson is a bad defender, unless he has become one this season. In what i saw in past seasons from him, he is a very good defender with the ability to be a great one, one of the best big player defenders.

My only experience watching Jefferson is when we've played the T-Wolves. And he's never been the slightest impediment to us scoring in the paint. It wouldn't be a defensive move. But he would grab the boards and sink a lot more points than Beans.
I guess I am a liittle like TMC. Let's see how we draft, then the speculation will really be fun.

We all see things differently, but what I've seen with AJefferson he is a very good defender. He is having a down year, but he has been real good in almost all facets, really all big man facets for the two seasons before this one that he has been in the TWolves

Migs, have you seen Jefferson play this year? He is a MUCH different player than you might remember. He is still certainly an upgrade for us, but his injuries have changed his game. He is strickly a below the rim type player now. He is still an effective low post scorer and pretty good rebounder, but I would not at all classify him as a "defender"

I think aJefferson will get back to what he was. He was a good defender though and I don't expect him to drop at all

bada wrote:

Quazza wrote:Trade wall for Jefferson!? You've got to be kidding?

Yeah, see that is the problem Migs. Wall for Jefferson is a rip off, you start including others and it is a terrible deal.

You just CANT get equal value.

bada wrote:

migya wrote:

bada wrote:

migya wrote:

War Years wrote:

To your last paragraph, the one I highlighted, I disagree that aJefferson is a bad defender, unless he has become one this season. In what i saw in past seasons from him, he is a very good defender with the ability to be a great one, one of the best big player defenders.

My only experience watching Jefferson is when we've played the T-Wolves. And he's never been the slightest impediment to us scoring in the paint. It wouldn't be a defensive move. But he would grab the boards and sink a lot more points than Beans.
I guess I am a liittle like TMC. Let's see how we draft, then the speculation will really be fun.

We all see things differently, but what I've seen with AJefferson he is a very good defender. He is having a down year, but he has been real good in almost all facets, really all big man facets for the two seasons before this one that he has been in the TWolves

Migs, have you seen Jefferson play this year? He is a MUCH different player than you might remember. He is still certainly an upgrade for us, but his injuries have changed his game. He is strickly a below the rim type player now. He is still an effective low post scorer and pretty good rebounder, but I would not at all classify him as a "defender"

I think aJefferson will get back to what he was. He was a good defender though and I don't expect him to drop at all

Can I ask what that is based on Migs? What is it you are seeing when watching him play that leads you to believe that? Or have you not seen him play this year?

Granted I have seen him only a couple times but he really looks nothing like the player he was in Boston or his first year or so in Minny.

No Longer StuckInSoCal wrote:Why does the team need to replace AB? Because he can't shoot free throws? Or because it's time to give up on our 6-11, 245 pound 23-year-old because he's at the end of his career?

What AB needs is a PF, not a SF playing the 4. Beans was a 60% shooter with great hands when Baron was in town, and I for one don't think it's time to ditch him.

migya wrote:

No Longer StuckInSoCal wrote:Why does the team need to replace AB? Because he can't shoot free throws? Or because it's time to give up on our 6-11, 245 pound 23-year-old because he's at the end of his career?

What AB needs is a PF, not a SF playing the 4. Beans was a 60% shooter with great hands when Baron was in town, and I for one don't think it's time to ditch him.

AB has been pretty awful when he has played this season. Also, this guy isn't going to improve anymore, he is what he is, a rebounder and pretty good shot blocker that doesn't score much and needs a very good PG to be maximised in the little he can do offensively.

AB is worth the money he gets, but not by much and he is not a cheap contract