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» Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:42 am
JayPat wrote:Udoh is fiesty but like Wright and Randolph, he does not have the strength to hold his own in the low post. This shows in the discrepancy between his offensive and defensive rebounding. He averages 4.1 offensive rebounds per 40 minutes, pace adjusted, which is spectacular. On the other hand, he averages 7.0 defensive RP40 pace adjusted, which is not good at all. For comparison, while Monroe averages only 2.5 offensive RP40 PA, he averages 8.8 defensive RP40 pace adjusted, meaning he is a significantly better defensive rebounder.

In addition, Udoh is less efficient offensively while scoring at a lower clip than Monroe. Monroe averages 19 PP40 pace adjusted with a 57% true shooting percentage, while Udoh averages 15.7 PP40 PA with a 54% true shooting. When you consider Monroe's Princeton style system which may have limited his individual opportunities, the fact that his jumpshot seems to be improving with time, and the fact that Monroe is also a much better passer, I think the choice is a no-brainer.


You make very good points about his strength and this is why he is not a more highly valued prospect. Again, I am not thrilled with any of our choices outside the Top 5. I am suggesting Udoh at 6 but I dont feel like he is a Top 6 type player. Very unfortunate.
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» Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:44 am
Beast Mode wrote:Lol... as good as Monroe? Maybe as good as he is now. Yes, he favors his left hand but he can also go right. He will of course get better over time. Lets not forget Monroe is also 3 years younger than Ekpe.


Seriously Beast, Monroe is a MESS going right. When forced to his right, he scores at an ubelievebly dreadfull 0.39 pts per possession and even more alarmingly turns the ball over 33% of the time when he is forced right. And that is against inferior defenders than he will face in the NBA.
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» Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:47 am
first off wrote:I think Babbits game is def impressive, But I just think Aminu's game is more suited to our needs.

I've yet to find a report stating that AFA isn't a stellar athlete who can bring defensive versatility at the next level, and haven't been able to find a report questioning Mr. Babbit ability to defend NBA SF's.

yes Babbit' had some athletic freak numbers, however from what I saw of him in college (granted only a game or two), he didn't really seem all that quick. The combine isn't the end all and be all of a player.

Hansborough impressed in the combine last year, but once he got to the association, his lack of lateral quickness was readily apparent.

I think the team needs Defense, Athleticism, and rebounding at the SF position which no one can deny are Aminu's selling points.


Both Babbitt and Aminu were PFs in college and are going to swing over to SF in the pros. Babbitt, just like Curry, is known for creating space to get his shot off. He has sick range as a shooter and is hitting at better than 50/40/90! Aminu is a post up guy with crappy range.

Babbitt got the "slow white guy" label stuck on him unfairly. Those combine numbers count. Teams base millions of dollars on them.

Bottom line, Babbitt is faster, can jump higher, and is a metric shitton more skilled than Aminu. Do you seriously want a SF that shoots 27% from 3 point land, or do you want one that shoots 40%?
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» Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:51 am
Chum wrote:Since Mags has been traded it now seems more likely that the Warriors can and will target a Small Forward in the draft. It means they aren't stuck having to take a big for need. I like this a lot because I think the BPA is going to be a SF.

The following stats are a combo of these player's college stats and combine stats. I just don't see how any team would roll the dice on Aminu after looking at everything. Hayward, maybe because of his intangibles (those count, remember Curry.) Wesley Johnson may go as high as 3rd in the draft, but going by the numbers Babbitt does look better than Johnson. At this point in time some mock drafts have Babbitt going as high as 8th. Just two spots behind us folks.

Stats aren't everything but they matter, and they matter a lot. You can't look at the numbers and then take Aminu over Babbitt. No way! Babbitt put up similar combine stats to John Freaking Wall... and Babbitt is 6'9"!!! On top of that his college numbers are stellar.

btw Some are still comparing Babbitt to Chris Mullen :roll: Yeah if Mully was much bigger, faster and could jump to the rafters. The white boy comparisons need to end.

Chum wrote:Stats!!!

The Small Forwards (not including Evan Turner as he is projected to be a SG, plus we ain't getting him)
- Wesley Johnson
- Al-Farouq Aminu
- Gordon Hayward
- Luke Babbitt

PPG
1) 21.9 Babbitt
2) 16.5 Johnson
3) 15.8 Aminu
4) 15.5 Hayward

FG%
1) 50.2% Johnson
2) 50.0% Babbitt
3) 46.4% Hayward
4) 44.7% Aminu

3P%
1) 41.6% Babbitt
2) 41.5% Johnson
3) 29.4% Hayward
4) 27.3% Aminu

FT%
1) 91.7% Babbitt
2) 82.9% Hayward
3) 77.2% Johnson
4) 69.8% Aminu

RPG
1) 10.7 Aminu
2) 8.9 Babbitt
3) 8.5 Johnson
4) 8.2 Hayward

APG
1) 2.2 Johnson
2) 2.1 Babbitt
3) 1.7 Hayward
4) 1.3 Aminu

StealsPG
1) 1.7 Johnson
2) 1.3 Aminu
3) 1.1 Hayward
4) 1.0 Babbitt <-- must not be athletic :mrgreen:

BlocksPG
1) 1.8 Johnson
2) 1.4 Aminu
3) 1.1 Hayward
4) 1.1 Babbitt

TOs
1) 2.3 Hayward
2) 2.3 Johnson
3) 2.4 Babbitt
4) 3.2 Aminu

Height without Shoes
1) 6' 7.5" Babbitt
2) 6' 7.25" Aminu
3) 6' 6.75" Hayward
4) 6' 6.25" Johnson

Height with Shoes
1) 6' 8.75" Babbitt
2) 6' 8.5" Aminu
3) 6' 8" Hayward
4) 6' 7.25" Johnson

Weight
1) 216lbs Aminu
2) 215lbs Babbitt
3) 211lbs Hayward
4) 206lbs Johnson

Wingspan
1) 7' 3.25" Aminu
2) 7' 1" Johnson
3) 6' 11.25" Babbitt
4) 6' 7.75" Hayward

No Step Vertical
1) 32.0" Johnson
2) 30.5" Hayward
3) 29.5" Babbitt
4) 27.0" Aminu

Maximum Vertical
1) 37.5" Babbitt
2) 37.0" Johnson
3) 34.5" Hayward
4) 33.5" Aminu

Lane Agility (as bada said: Used to test how fast a player moves laterally around the key. Primarily to see defensive speed.)
1) 10.98 Babbitt
2) 11.29 Aminu
3) 11.43 Johnson
4) 11.73 Hayward


Babbitt is my horse in this race (I'll take Aldrich or Udoh as a consolation prize)...
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I would not cry about getting Babbit but I do have concerns.

He was the highest usage player in the draft but his pts per possession (0.97) is not very impressive.

A big part of that is he ranks DEAD LAST in pts per possession in transition opportunities. He was/is terrible in transition.

He did SHINE is one on one isolation situations. This is what scares me. Poor in transition, shines in half court isolation. Not the direction I want for this team per say.
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» Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:52 am
bada wrote:
Beast Mode wrote:Lol... as good as Monroe? Maybe as good as he is now. Yes, he favors his left hand but he can also go right. He will of course get better over time. Lets not forget Monroe is also 3 years younger than Ekpe.


Seriously Beast, Monroe is a MESS going right. When forced to his right, he scores at an ubelievebly dreadfull 0.39 pts per possession and even more alarmingly turns the ball over 33% of the time when he is forced right. And that is against inferior defenders than he will face in the NBA.


Even in saying all that, Monroe is better than Udoh now and has more potential than Udoh will ever have. He showed more improvement over his career than Udoh, played in one of the strictest systems around, is the better passer/scorer, rebounding is up for debate, defense I'll give to Udoh.. he's 3 YEARS YOUNGER than Udoh... he could actually play a small role in our offense this season and we have time to groom him! He's much better with the pick & roll which would highly benefit Curry... He's uglier so we know he won't be going out to as many clubs... he just has more potential in all areas. What the hell is Udoh gonna do if we draft him? Take minutes from Randolph/Wright to be the defensive specialist? Unless we play AR at SF I don't see where in the feezy Udoh is gonna fit in.. at least not this season. We do not have the luxury of drafting a role player like Udoh... we need potential, and Monroe has that 18 PPG 10 RPG potential.


Still want Hayward though. And to whoever called Hayward a bad defender and all that B.S, pretty obvious you've never seen him play.
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» Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:55 am
first off wrote:I think Babbits game is def impressive, But I just think Aminu's game is more suited to our needs.

I've yet to find a report stating that AFA isn't a stellar athlete who can bring defensive versatility at the next level, and haven't been able to find a report questioning Mr. Babbit ability to defend NBA SF's.

yes Babbit' had some athletic freak numbers, however from what I saw of him in college (granted only a game or two), he didn't really seem all that quick. The combine isn't the end all and be all of a player.

Hansborough impressed in the combine last year, but once he got to the association, his lack of lateral quickness was readily apparent.

I think the team needs Defense, Athleticism, and rebounding at the SF position which no one can deny are Aminu's selling points.


I see Aminu as the CLASSIC tweener. No more tweeners please. First off- what makes you think Aminu is a SF when he struggled TERRIBLY in college at SF. It was only until they moved him to PF did he start to be production mainly because he could outquick people. He looked completely lost as a SF two season ago.
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» Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:08 am
bada wrote:I would not cry about getting Babbit but I do have concerns.

He was the highest usage player in the draft but his pts per possession (0.97) is not very impressive.

A big part of that is he ranks DEAD LAST in pts per possession in transition opportunities. He was/is terrible in transition.

He did SHINE is one on one isolation situations. This is what scares me. Poor in transition, shines in half court isolation. Not the direction I want for this team per say.


Every player in this draft has concerns you can attach to him, and I'm not saying I don't have any with Babbitt, just a whole lot less than I do with Aminu.

Both guys were PFs in college, so switching either of them to the SF position is a concern in and of itself. We don't know what either of them will look like in transition on the Warriors, because they'll be playing an entirely different game.

What we do know about Babbitt is that he is an excellent shot, an excellent passer, creates his own space and has an NBA body. Somehow I think that will translate to being good in transition.

As for Babbitt being good in iso, I don't see that as anything but a plus. You have to have guys that can play in isolation in the NBA, and if you are going to have one guy on the team that is especially good at it you want it to be the SF. They'll have more opportunities for it in general.

Just because Mags slowed down the tempo doesn't mean Babbitt will :wink:

Oh one more thing.... There is waaaaaay too much hype about the top 5. They are all just as unproven as the rest, and every year several players not in the top 5 turn out to be awesome. There's almost always a stinker in the top 5. Curry was 7th, and he'd still probably go around there in this draft if people didn't see him play in the NBA.
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» Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:18 am
DAMN! The drafts, like, tomorrow.
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» Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:44 am
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NBA Draft: Sacramento may take Ekpe Udoh over Greg Monroe, and Monroe could fall farther

Wed Jun 23,2010 9:27 AM ET By Kurt Helin

What the Warriors want when they pick at No. 6 is DeMarcus Cousins. But if Mick Jagar has taught us one thing, it's that you can't always get what you want (because Sacramento takes him).

But if they have to settle for getting what they need, that will likely be Ekpe Udoh out of Baylor, not Greg Monroe out of Georgetown, according to ESPN's Chad Ford.

Monroe is the rare center whose best skill is passing, and he brings a diverse and polished offensive game that one would think would tempt the current Warriors brain trust. (Go ahead and snicker at "brain trust," Warriors fans.)

But Monroe did not impress in a workout in Golden State, so they are looking at other big men who could help them. Udoh can block shots, step out to the midrange, both things the Warriors need. He had to create a lot of his own looks in Baylor, someone will do that for him in Golden State. And by someone we mean Stephen Curry.

This all could be a smokescreen. Right now there is more smoke being blown around the NBA than in a Cheech and Chong movie. But don't be shocked if Monroe ends up with the Pistons, or keeps falling down to the Jazz or Grizzlies.
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» Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:51 am
Guess I gotta watch some more Ekpe
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» Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:18 pm
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» Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:28 pm
well that workout is certainly LESS than impressive. lol
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» Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:31 pm
bada wrote:well that workout is certainly LESS than impressive. lol


yea...

cant judge a player on one workout but i'll pass on udoh...
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» Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:32 pm
KC wrote:
bada wrote:well that workout is certainly LESS than impressive. lol


yea...

cant judge a player on one workout but i'll pass on udoh...


he got pushed off the block rather easily and points to his lack of strength.
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» Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:39 pm
bada wrote:
KC wrote:
bada wrote:well that workout is certainly LESS than impressive. lol


yea...

cant judge a player on one workout but i'll pass on udoh...


he got pushed off the block rather easily and points to his lack of strength.


yea... this must of been the end of his workout, cus he was looking tired and worn out...

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