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» Thu May 20, 2010 5:30 pm
bada wrote:Combine blogs:

Best media day interviews: John Wall, Dominique Jones, Evan Turner, Wesley Johnson, Luke Babbitt, Patrick Patterson, Ekpe Udoh,Solomon Alabi

Not so great media interviews: Al-Farouq Aminu, Sylven Landesberg, Stanley Robinson, DeMarcus Cousins, Ed Davis, Derrick Favors, Greg Monroe

John Wall showing off his basketball IQ talking about X's & O's about the adjustments he'll need to make in the NBA. Super super impressive.

John Wall is a pro's pro with media. Really polished, humble, confident. Has made incredible strides since we first met him a few years ago.


interesting how diff views some media guys have. This is from Christopher Reina

The DeMarcus Cousins show was probably the highlight of the day, at least in terms of having levity. He was asked a ton of tough questions, but held in like a champ. He didn't try to be any different than the person he truly is and that's to be respected. He will have some bouts of immaturity and he didn't attempt to hide from it, instead embracing it and in the process disarming it.

Maybe it's because they're both incredible rebounders, who have battled fitness issues and are from Alabama, but there is a lot of Charles Barkley in his personality. His delivery of answers is similar in the sense that he makes you laugh even if it is a one or two word answer.

"My work ethic is a lot better than it used to be," said Cousins, who says he's been on a diet of 'salad and seafood'.

Cousins was asked if a team was choosing between himself and Wall for the top pick, who would be the right selection.

"Depending on what the team needs," replied Cousins, in a serious but joking manner.

Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_feature_piece ... z0oWG5jEwz
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» Thu May 20, 2010 5:39 pm
yeah, it really is.

Personally I stay as far away from RealGM as I can. But that is just me personally. I know others like it quite a bit. I just find their opinions to differ from reality quite a bit.

My info was taken from DraftExpress who's website design is a mess but have found their insight, projection and analysis to be far more accurate than others.

Draftexpress is said to ignore their previous post with Orton's comments and they will be posting the entire interview video tonight or tomorrow. Don't know if that means hsi previous quote was taken out of context or not.

I did see a video where cousins was very dismissive and annoyed when asked if he would like to play for Calipari is Cal got an NBA job.
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» Thu May 20, 2010 6:10 pm
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carlgo wrote:Whoa, how far down can Cousins slide now? At some point a team will figure he is low enough to take a chance. Actually, he may slide so far down that he will end up on a good team. The Celtics or Lakers might think the vets on the team can turn him around.

Actually, I feel sorry for him. He cannot help himself and needs professional care. He really ought to take a year off and get well, then

Anyone who saw him play must have known he had serious problems. He even said that Coach Cheat practically forced him into the NBA. He took it as a compliment, but clearly they wanted him out of there.


I dont think he will slide down to far. 8 is probably the lowest I can see him go.

I heard the Warriors interviewed him the other day before the combine started. Wonder how that went. They probably brought him in as they dont think their 1st choice (outside of Wall and Turner) will be there at #6.


If the guy can't hold it together for an interview there is no way in hell Cousins is going to make it through the Nellie wringer. I wash my hands of Cousins.

To be honest I got so caught up in dissecting the games of the "top 5" ie. Wall/Turner/Favors/Cousins/W.Johnson that I didn't look at some of the other top prospects out there. I'm still hopeful that we land Wesley Johnson but there is a good chance he'll be gone before the 6th pick.

There are a few guys left that can turn out to be stud players, and at the risk of incurring the wrath of TMC I'm going to say we should draft Cole Aldrich.

btw Beast, I like both of the guys you mentioned in Greg Monroe and Hassan Whiteside. Monroe for his size and passing ability and Whiteside for his size, defensive demeanor and natural athleticism. BUT I don't think either of these guys, or any of the bigs including Favors and Cousins, is as polished as Aldrich or in the same class as a defender. Cole Aldrich is the best defending big man in this draft and he will be the best defending big man of the rookie class next season.

Where is Aldrich weak? He isn't a top notch scorer. He can score, and the best thing he has going for him in the offense department is his hook shot. It helps that he has a freakish wingspan. I've read that his wingspan is anywhere from 7-4 to 7-6.

OK do we need a low post scorer, yes. Does it have to be our rookie pick, no. We have pleanty o' scorers on the team now and regardless of who we draft there is a good likelyhood we'll trade for another big. It might not happen under Cohan, but whoever the new owner is will probably be looking to make the Warriors bigger, duh.

Aldrich was the best defender in college basketball last year. He has an NBA sized body now. He is commited to being a rebounder/shotblocker/defender. He's what the Warrior's need, and unless Wall or Turner drops to us (won't happen) it isn't clear that Aldrich isn't as talented as any of the other remaining picks.

OK he's a big goofy white guy. Yes there have been a whole bunch of big goofy white guys, throughout the history of the NBA, that you wouldn't want on your team and who looked like they were probably drafted just because they were huge. Slow, plodding, ogre like are all images of the countless NBA centers of the past. Aldrich is not slow. He might not run from one end of the floor to the other as fast as say Favors, but in his low post zone he is very very quick. He has quick hands, quick feet and he is very aggressive. He has a high motor and doesn't slow down as the game progresses.

Shot blocking and rebounding... He's better at both than any other guy in the draft. There is the possibility that Whiteside is a better shot blocker, but Whiteside went up against much smaller and less skilled competition. Aldrich was by far the best shot blocker from any of the larger divisions. He averaged 3.5 blocks a game in the regular season. In the NCAA tournament he actually produced this line...

13 points, 20 boards, 10 blocked shots :shock:

There have only been 7 triple doubles in the history of the NCAA tournament prior to Aldrich. There have only been two other instances of 10+ blocks in the tournament, Shaq had 11 once and Shawn Bradley had 10 once.

Anyway, the best little bit of info on Aldrich has already been presented to us by Quazza. Here's the link again:

http://www.clicker.com/tv/sportscenter/ ... 758991.htm

Here's Bobby Knight on Stephen Curry: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JyTIQq5H-g[/youtube]

You think Bobby Knight can spot talent?

The biggest question mark I have on Cole Aldrich is whether or not he'll get along with Nellie, but I'd have that with ANY rookie we drafted. In Aldrich's case will Nellie want to use him how he should be used (as a true defensive center where scoring is a secondary concern) or will Nellie insist on being silly about turning Aldrich into a scorer. Whatever coach we get after Nellie won't give two shits if Cole Aldrich can score 20 or not. They'll be happy to have a lock down defender in the low post.
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» Thu May 20, 2010 6:34 pm
Alrich is complete dog **** on the offensive end. I know I always preach defense and I DO like his defense, but he is so retarded on that end that he becomes a liablity.

I would much rather draft someone else who is more than just a one sided players with the 6th pick, then come back with a guy like Varnardo in the 2nd as our defensive specialist.

Aldrich just seemed to get worse from last year to this year. No thank you!
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» Thu May 20, 2010 6:46 pm
bada wrote:Alrich is complete dog **** on the offensive end. I know I always preach defense and I DO like his defense, but he is so retarded on that end that he becomes a liablity.

I would much rather draft someone else who is more than just a one sided players with the 6th pick, then come back with a guy like Varnardo in the 2nd as our defensive specialist.

Aldrich just seemed to get worse from last year to this year. No thank you!


Bada we agree so much that if you were a female idc how you look, you'd be getting banged. Willing or not.

Aldrich is the type of guy you take in the 2nd half of the first round. Anderson Varejao isn't too bad on defense either. Would you trade the 6th pick overall for him????? Hmmm guys? Don't worry, I'll wait...
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» Thu May 20, 2010 6:49 pm
Beast Mode wrote:Bada we agree so much that if you were a female idc how you look, you'd be getting banged. Willing or not.



LOL!!!

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» Thu May 20, 2010 6:49 pm
man chum, you flip flop opinions on players faster than migya.
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» Thu May 20, 2010 7:29 pm
bada wrote:man chum, you flip flop opinions on players faster than migya.


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» Thu May 20, 2010 7:29 pm
not to pile onto the last two posts, but Cole would be an AWFUL #6 pick.

Bada is spot on, Cole declined throughout the year. And Beast's absolutely right... would you really take Varestink with the #6 pick? Of course not, so why would you take a similar "talent" here?

On the other hand, Monroe actually improved on some of the things he was lacking in his freshman year, and he's a much more well-rounded player, that would fit most teams well with his ability to pass.

If we are fortunate enough to draft Johnson, we really need to move the logjam we will have at the SF position. Of course, moving Monta would help a lot (if we actually get something on the return) because then we could start a bigger lineup with AZU sliding to the 2.
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» Thu May 20, 2010 7:55 pm
bada wrote:man chum, you flip flop opinions on players faster than migya.


Besides Cousins who are you referring to? As for Cousins, I was waiting for a mental fart to waft it's way to the media from Cousins' ass. If I didn't catch wind of said stinker he would still my pick. Cousins showed he really is mentally messed up, so I wash my hands of him.

The Warriors are the worst, or close to the worst, team in...
- Low Post Defense
- Rebounding
- Shot Blocking

Cole Aldrich is the best player in the draft at...
- Low Post Defense
- Rebounding
- Shot Blocking

Bobby Knight knows his basketball talent better than...
- Anyone on this forum with the possible exception of Chum :)

What else do you need to know?

I love how EVERYBODY here knows we suck at defense and rebounding, but you don't want to draft the best defender and rebounder. I laugh at this! Ha!

Anyway, that just me and Bobby's opinion. I'll be ok with W.Johnson, Greg Monroe and even Cousins. Who knows, maybe it was his last brain fart?

Bottom line we need to get better on D in the paint, and if we are going to do that in the draft then Cole Aldrich is the best man to take.
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» Thu May 20, 2010 8:26 pm
Has someone already mentioned the Monta for Al Jefferson trade? Someone posted this...what do you guys think?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/394489-if-warriors-are-smart-they-will-try-to-trade-ellis-for-al-jefferson
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» Thu May 20, 2010 8:27 pm
Scratch that...I see it all over the place. I don't buy it.
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» Thu May 20, 2010 8:36 pm
Chum wrote:
bada wrote:man chum, you flip flop opinions on players faster than migya.


Besides Cousins who are you referring to? As for Cousins, I was waiting for a mental fart to waft it's way to the media from Cousins' ass. If I didn't catch wind of said stinker he would still my pick. Cousins showed he really is mentally messed up, so I wash my hands of him.

The Warriors are the worst, or close to the worst, team in...
- Low Post Defense
- Rebounding
- Shot Blocking

Cole Aldrich is the best player in the draft at...
- Low Post Defense
- Rebounding
- Shot Blocking

Bobby Knight knows his basketball talent better than...
- Anyone on this forum with the possible exception of Chum :)

What else do you need to know?

I love how EVERYBODY here knows we suck at defense and rebounding, but you don't want to draft the best defender and rebounder. I laugh at this! Ha!

Anyway, that just me and Bobby's opinion. I'll be ok with W.Johnson, Greg Monroe and even Cousins. Who knows, maybe it was his last brain fart?

Bottom line we need to get better on D in the paint, and if we are going to do that in the draft then Cole Aldrich is the best man to take.


I agree with your assement on our needs, however no way do I take such a one dimensional player that high in the draft unless you are DAMN sure he will be dominant in the pros. I have BIG questions about that. I dont think he was nearly as dominant as you think he was.

He largely feasted on stiffs or guys nowhere near his size. He was not nearly as good against guys with size. Heck, when they got bounced by Northern Iowa, that 7 foot, 280 lb center abused him for something like 15 pts in only 18 or so min, including pulling him outside where he looked lost to defend.

Oklahama St's Matt Pilgrim used speed to go 8-8 against Aldrich.

Nebraska's center Brian Diaz ate him up both times they played.

If you look at the rest of their schedule, he really did not play against any quality big man.

Not saying he wont be a good defender in the NBA, but I think there are some question marks around it. And if he not a dominant defender, they he is near worthless because he is dog crap offensively.

I take a guy like Cousins any day over ALdrich. Cause as least if Cousins flames out, you at least swung for the fences instead of using the 6th pick on a guy you hope can give you a bit better defense than AB does and nothing more on the offensive side.
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» Thu May 20, 2010 9:19 pm
bada wrote:Not saying he wont be a good defender in the NBA, but I think there are some question marks around it. And if he not a dominant defender, they he is near worthless because he is dog crap offensively.


I agree that there are question marks with Aldrich, but there are question marks with every player in this draft including Wall. As far as the "dog crap" offensively thing... maybe a bit harsh. He has some post moves, averaged more than 10 points a game in a very tough conference, and he doesn't have a scorer's mentality. If he was trying to be a scorer and averaged 10 a game I'd be more concerned. Look I don't care if they never call a play for him his rookie year. Tell him to average 10 a night off his rebounding and see how he does.

bada wrote:I take a guy like Cousins any day over ALdrich. Cause as least if Cousins flames out, you at least swung for the fences instead of using the 6th pick on a guy you hope can give you a bit better defense than AB does and nothing more on the offensive side.


I generally agree with this line of thinking. I did say "I wash my hands of him" in regards to Cousins, but I still respect his skills and size. I'm just having a hard time with him having a hard time with a freaking interview. If Cousins is still there at 6 I'd be pretty happy we took him.

However, I'm high on Aldrich right now. He is a better defender than Cousins at this point in time. A couple bad games doesn't erase the rest of his dominance. I don't think you can just turn any decent player into a great defender. They have to have something there to begin with. I'm more confident that Aldrich has that something than I am that Cousins has it.

If you haven't watched the Bobby Knight clip yet, please do. It's tough to argue with.
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» Thu May 20, 2010 10:54 pm
Chum wrote:If you haven't watched the Bobby Knight clip yet, please do. It's tough to argue with.


Throw a link up if you can. Nothing on youtube that I can see.

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