#32 wrote:Jeez, it's been a little under a week (with a couple Warriors preseason games) since I've posted, and there have been no good new topics to talk about. My God.

Let's try resurrecting a successul one to jump start some conversation:

#32 wrote:Troy Murphy *****
Don Nelson is a huge fan of big men who can play the perimeter. All summer, Troy Murphy had his bags packed. After today, he might as well keep his house payments going. Murphy is incredibly similar to another player Don Nelson made into a star (perhaps you've heard of him): Dirk Nowitski. The only difference between the two (physically) is that Dirk is an inch taller and Murphy is a tad stronger.

What's truly exciting about this is that Murphy has an already-established NBA reputation for improvement. His huge rebounding numbers, outside touch, and movement without the ball were all tricks he picked up after being drafted. If Murphy can add huge points to his game like that, what's stopping him from being everything Nelly can sculpt him into? I'm not saying he'll become the next Dirk overnight... but, if Troy Murphy averages numbers closer to 17 and 10 next year (with improved percentages across the board), I wouldn't be surprised.

If there's one player (other than Dunleavy) that Golden State fans can't decide on, it's Murphy. You can read what i wrote about him above. Any thoughts?

mamamamarciulionis wrote:I think Murphy is too soft and not very agressive. Even if Murphy is stronger than Dirk, Dirk is a lot agressive than Murphy. I don't think Murphy is ready to step up in a role similar to Dirk. In Dallas Dirk is the number 1 option. In GS, Murphy is the 2nd or even 3rd option. I see him improving a little, but I don't see much change in him. 12pts - 7rebs maybe.

I think guards will play a big part of this year's offense.

#32 wrote:

mamamamarciulionis wrote:I think Murphy is too soft and not very agressive. Even if Murphy is stronger than Dirk, Dirk is a lot agressive than Murphy. I don't think Murphy is ready to step up in a role similar to Dirk. In Dallas Dirk is the number 1 option. In GS, Murphy is the 2nd or even 3rd option. I see him improving a little, but I don't see much change in him. 12pts - 7rebs maybe.

I think guards will play a big part of this year's offense.

Are you serious, dude?

You expect Murphy (someone Nelson has been raving about since he got hired) to actually decline in a higher-scoring offense? 12 points and 7 boards are 3 knocks per category lower than his averages last year. Trust me, pimpin, Dajuan Wagner (the only real roster change) is NOT gonna make that much of a difference.

I expect Murphy to improve his percentages up to something closer to 49% from the field, 85% from the line, and 39-40% from the arc. In an offense with BD and Jason bound to cut more (along with Monta and Dajuan getting minutes), Murphy will be left open quite a bit. I don't think it's out of the question to expect 17 PPG (just an extra field goal a night) and his usual 10 boards.

Hell, Nelson's claiming Troy Murphy will average 20 and 10. I'm not that crazy. But I believe he'll improve, no doubt. My hunch is that he'll probably grab 11 or 12 rebounds a night, too.

#32 wrote: Are you serious, dude?

You expect Murphy (someone Nelson has been raving about since he got hired) to actually decline in a higher-scoring offense? 12 points and 7 boards are 3 knocks per category lower than his averages last year. Trust me, pimpin, Dajuan Wagner (the only real roster change) is NOT gonna make that much of a difference.

I expect Murphy to improve his percentages up to something closer to 49% from the field, 85% from the line, and 39-40% from the arc. In an offense with BD and Jason bound to cut more (along with Monta and Dajuan getting minutes), Murphy will be left open quite a bit. I don't think it's out of the question to expect 17 PPG (just an extra field goal a night) and his usual 10 boards.

Hell, Nelson's claiming Troy Murphy will average 20 and 10. I'm not that crazy. But I believe he'll improve, no doubt. My hunch is that he'll probably grab 11 or 12 rebounds a night, too.

mamamamarciulionis wrote:The reason I said that Murphy will have 12pts and 7 rebs is because I dont see Murphy running up and down the court 35 to 40 minutes when he is not used to that. He is used to setting up shots running off of screens. It is quite difficult to set your shot comming from a break rather than a set play. Murph will run but he will get tired. He will run on offense and get beat up on defense.

migya wrote:

mamamamarciulionis wrote:The reason I said that Murphy will have 12pts and 7 rebs is because I dont see Murphy running up and down the court 35 to 40 minutes when he is not used to that. He is used to setting up shots running off of screens. It is quite difficult to set your shot comming from a break rather than a set play. Murph will run but he will get tired. He will run on offense and get beat up on defense.

Murphy will go backwards! He is a spot up shooter, as yopu said, and not a runner. He needs to focus on offensive rebounding and putbacks to keep scoring! He will likely fatigue or just get too smashed on defense and Biedrins will take a bigger role! Diogu will also likely get better as the season goes on and Murphy will regress, setting it up for Diogu to take time away from him too

uptempo wrote:

migya wrote:

mamamamarciulionis wrote:The reason I said that Murphy will have 12pts and 7 rebs is because I dont see Murphy running up and down the court 35 to 40 minutes when he is not used to that. He is used to setting up shots running off of screens. It is quite difficult to set your shot comming from a break rather than a set play. Murph will run but he will get tired. He will run on offense and get beat up on defense.

Murphy will go backwards! He is a spot up shooter, as yopu said, and not a runner. He needs to focus on offensive rebounding and putbacks to keep scoring! He will likely fatigue or just get too smashed on defense and Biedrins will take a bigger role! Diogu will also likely get better as the season goes on and Murphy will regress, setting it up for Diogu to take time away from him too

Very depressing analysis of Murphy at center...

#32 wrote:Okay. Murphy can't run. How many centers in the league can...?

Don't expect 90% of Golden State's possesions to be fast breaks. Faster tempo doesn't mean 48 minutes of pure running. Murphy's offensive numbers (like virtually everyone, sans Foyle) will improve.

The reason I'd give him more rebounds is because there will be more shots in the air. I think Murphy's capable of 12 boards a night in that environment.

TRON wrote:M i the only one worried by the fact we are talking about Murph at 5 and Dun at 4? Why do i see it wrong?

migya wrote:Dun and Murphy are weak at their current position! Dun will have to outquick his opponent and shoot well from the outside to have a chance of being an asset. Murphy will have to shoot well and try his best to outwork his opponents for him to be an asset

migya wrote:Dun and Murphy are weak at their current position! Dun will have to outquick his opponent and shoot well from the outside to have a chance of being an asset. Murphy will have to shoot well and try his best to outwork his opponents for him to be an asset