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» Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:35 pm
Let's just pretend for example that you knew that the NBA was rigged all the way from the Owners down to the players. If you knew that the outcome was 99 percent predetermined, would you still watch it?

For me, I would say probably not very much. Right now I'm at the point where I think the NBA is about 50 percent rigged. I think you might be able to beat the rig, but I'm not even sure that the players aren't in on it. If it was 50 percent rigged and I knew that, but knew the players weren't in on it, I might still watch a little bit, but I wouldn't root, I would just watch it as entertainment.

We just watched a Finals that I felt was phony and I'm not bitter at all. I just don't believe that we really lost. Nothing about it convinced me it was anything more than a Hollywood Scripted Movie. I mean the Warriors didn't hit one shot in the last 5 minutes. Can't help but think it was staged. Festus had no reason to jump at Lebron and give him 3 free throws and Curry had no reason to throw that behind the back pass out of bounds. Plus why is he having a hard time getting passed Kevin Love? Is he that hurt? I don't know... Something is very very fishy with everything I saw. And Lebron hurt his hand in the final minute going for the dunk, that felt so theatrical and staged. Or when he patted Curry in the butt in the last couple of minutes. He was taunting him all series. Then all of a sudden he showed some brotherhood. It's almost like he knew he was going to win and the whole Lebron/Curry rivalry was an act.

Did Green really just get kicked out in the last minute of game 5? Him and James have a business relationship. It's all fake to me.
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» Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:19 am
I already think the NBA is rigged and I still watch. But I don't think its rigged all the time. Only when millions of dollars are on the line. But who knows. Many of these players are friends off the court and on different teams. Who is to say that they don't go WWE once in awhile. With Lebron, I think it was just a bit of over exaggeration like when he gets hit by a fingernail and flails like he's been shot by a .45. The guy is a career 70% free throw shooter, so he acted like he hurt his hand because he would have an excuse if he were to miss those last two free throws. Its theater mixed with suspense. It makes it entertaining yet frustrating.

What makes a better story? A team that won 73 regular season games and wins back to back championships? Or a player that scorns his hometown, wins a couple of rings then returns to help them win a championship after 50+ years? And the NBA has something riding on this as well. Lebron in Cleveland is good for business. Lebron in Miami, not so much. Lebron also happens to be a free agent and the NBA isn't going to risk him leaving again. Lets hand him a championship so that he would feel compelled to stay in Cleveland for a long time, win or lose.

It just stinks. I'm curious to see the official's grades in the final 3 games.
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» Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:22 am
No. If I thought that the results were predetermined, I would not watch. But I don't believe they are. I do believe the league and/or refs tamper within the games and/or playoff series, but I don't think they actually set out to determine the game. More like they give a team a little (or big) boost/advantage or they might call a game to keep it close (as they may have in game 7 - for both teams).

I think the league ultimately would habe preferred the Warriors winning the Finals, as that's clearly the best story. Curry is the most popular player, the Dubs are the most popular team now, and th capping off the season being the GOAT would have been a great story.

The only argument I see against the Warriors winning it being the better story, is where do they go from there? How do they get better? What is there left to root for besides continued success?

I still think the NBA ultimately would rather the teams decide the games (lack of foul calls period is evidence of that), but milk it for as much as possible.

They need to do something though about the inconsistent officiating, because it's ruining the game. You can't call games one way for 82 games only to swollow your whistles in the playoffs. I HATE complaining about non-calls, or officiating in general, but I can't stand the disparity we see from the regular season to the post, one game to the next, or one series to the next.

This isn't baseball, where some umps will have different strike zones, and that's just part of the game - a foul is a foul period. So ref crews need to be more consistent in general, regardless of the circumstances.

They need to leverage technology, replays, and the replay officials in NY. When a ref gets a call wrong, or a non-call in some situations (IE LBJ's goaltend, or a ruling/overturn that doesn't change the flow of the game), the replay officials should be in the ear of the on-court refs.

I wouldn't have nearly ad much of a problem losing, and we did lose, if it was a clean lose.

Still, we lost. Curry went hero-ball at the wrong time (he was clearly injured), and we let them get too many good looks and miss-matches, especially in the 3rd where we lost a 10 pt lead and went down by 6. Lebron's goaltend was the only call at the end that you can point to that the refs decided the game, and we would have still be down by 1 at that point.
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» Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:48 am
I didn't agree with the officiating throughout the entire series, but I honestly don't think LBJ's block was goal tend. He made contact with the ball just as it left Iguodala's hand and he blocked it into the glass. Initially, I was screaming for the goal tend call, but after they showed it a few times on replay, I thought they ultimately made a rare right call.

But that Kyrie 3 point and the foul called on Curry was the real turning point for the Cavs and I don't think it was a foul. Kyrie lowered his shoulder in to Curry, who was in good position and it knocked Kyrie off balance. He made a hell of a shot with his left hand off the glass, but it was not a foul. A defender is entitled to his own spot on the floor. That was the worst call of the night. Both Kyrie and Lebron tend to use their elbow to create space when they drive which is an offensive foul as well, but both got away with it for the entire series. I would have loved to see Draymond Green drive and use the same tactic with his elbow to see if he gets called for it. I bet they would have blown that whistle quick.

But I disagree with the Warriors being a better story. They broke the NBA wins record. They won the Championship last season. They have the back to back MVP. All that doesn't come close to Lebron bringing a championship back to his hometown especially after his titles in Miami. LBJ is Adam Silver's face of the NBA and that won't be validated until he brings Cleveland a title.
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» Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:41 pm
You know what JReed? Now come to think about it, the Warriors winning this year is not the better story. You just said why yourself. If they had won 73 after the Championship, where would they go from here? There would be less motivation, they would have looked like the Harlem Globetrotters, like they did all year long.

So I look at this as a bump in the road. Maybe Silver wants to keep the Warriors story interesting. They want to keep competitive balance in the league and they want to preserve Lebron's legacy one last time before the decline. Notice how Lebron kept making Curry out to be a joke with the smirks, bumps and taunts.

So now this is like a dramatic story... The Warriors had to learn that their dominance can be taken away at anytime. They lost 9 games in the regular season. After coming back from a 3 to 1 deficit, they blew a 3 to 1 lead to Lebron. The story could not have been written any more dramatic. And now fans want to see what happens next year. They want to see if Curry is really done, they want to see if Cleveland can continue to dominate. If the Warriors had won, there would be no more urgency for the Warriors.

Now they make it exciting by talking about getting Durant. And now the latest is that Lacob wants to sign Dirk Nowitski. Instead of staying complacent, now the Warriors have to try to get better. They didn't finish their 73 win season with a Championship. So now they are hungrier than ever to try to get back to Championship winning ball instead of going after records.
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» Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:49 pm
I'm starting to believe that Steve Kerr tanked game 7. Think about it. He had no reason to put Festus Ezeli back in the game in the last quarter. As soon as Ezeli came in he fouled James shooting a 3. That made absolutely no sense.

I talked to a guy and he said there were no Championship hats ordered to Oracle in case they had won the Championship. And also there was an owner of the casino that knew that Cavs would pull away in the last quarter.

Someone told me that the owners probably came up to Kerr before the game and told him that it wasn't their turn this year. They had to do Dan Gilbert a favor. If you listen to Steve Kerr before the game you hear him talk about how winning or losing doesn't matter and you just be happy with the people you love and play golf the next day. That right there suggested that he knew the rig was in.

He also didn't call timeout with about 30 seconds left. It's almost like he knew. And he had no reason to play Verajao all those minutes. He made bad decisions and something doesn't add up.
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» Wed Jun 22, 2016 12:37 pm
As to the timeout call at the end of the game, I think he did the right thing. I believe Cleveland didn't have any timeouts left and they had Kevin Love on the floor, a player they can exploit on offense. So calling a time out would have let Lue substitute a better defender into the game. It backfired on the Warriors since Curry got the 1-on-1 with Kevin Love on a switch and Love stayed in front of him and forced Curry to take a contested 3 pointer. And thats why I think Curry is more hurt than we know. A healthy Curry would have gotten to any spot he wanted on the floor with Love guarding him.

But I buy into all the conspiracy theories. Whats the big news today just days after the Finals ended? LBJ to re-sign in Cleveland. What do would those headlines have been if the Warriors won? The NBA wanted LBJ in Cleveland and handed them a championship to insure that he re-signed. Because it doesn't matter what LBJ does from here on out in Cleveland.
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» Wed Jun 22, 2016 5:11 pm
BayAreaHoopz wrote:As to the timeout call at the end of the game, I think he did the right thing. I believe Cleveland didn't have any timeouts left and they had Kevin Love on the floor, a player they can exploit on offense. So calling a time out would have let Lue substitute a better defender into the game. It backfired on the Warriors since Curry got the 1-on-1 with Kevin Love on a switch and Love stayed in front of him and forced Curry to take a contested 3 pointer. And thats why I think Curry is more hurt than we know. A healthy Curry would have gotten to any spot he wanted on the floor with Love guarding him.

But I buy into all the conspiracy theories. Whats the big news today just days after the Finals ended? LBJ to re-sign in Cleveland. What do would those headlines have been if the Warriors won? The NBA wanted LBJ in Cleveland and handed them a championship to insure that he re-signed. Because it doesn't matter what LBJ does from here on out in Cleveland.



If Curry is that hurt, does he need surgery? I haven't heard anything. Yes, they did want Lebron to win. Please do buy into the conspiracies. I'm not 100 percent sure if they wanted him to win game 7 or made it to where it was impossible for him to not to, but I do know for a fact that they wanted a game 7 and that they wanted Lebron to have the best possible chance to win. The average fan is stupid and cannot see through that. Yea they are blinded and conditioned to think they are just watching a fully pure sport. It was the most phony Finals I've ever seen. Now Lebron did do very well, but that has nothing to do with my opinion on how the Finals were called and the suspension to Draymond Green.
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» Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:30 am
Stairway Man wrote:You know what JReed? Now come to think about it, the Warriors winning this year is not the better story. You just said why yourself. If they had won 73 after the Championship, where would they go from here? There would be less motivation, they would have looked like the Harlem Globetrotters, like they did all year long.
I was playing Devil's advocate and offering up rationale for the opposition, but let's be honest, the most popular team with the most popular player winning 73 games and becoming the GOAT is something people will talk about for decades - globally. Lebron winning his 3rd and CLE finally getting a championship is not global news - nobody outside CLE cares.

If an objective of this thread (like several others) is to proclaim any injustice done to the Warriors that caused, or contributed to, us losing, then the Draymond suspension is by far the biggest decision the league made to impact the series. The most compelling evidence that it was not an impartial decision, but to give the Cavs a golf-handicap, is:
  1. Lebron crying about crossing the line, yet nobody brought up or noticed the alleged nut tap.
  2. The video can be misleading - but not one of the angles originally looked like he even came close to his nuts, and if he did, he likely never made any contact with them.
  3. LBJ's reaction, again, immediately after the incident would have been different had Green hit his nuts - what's the first thing you do when you get hit in the nuts, regardless of how hard? You reach for them, but he never does. So either he was never hit in the nuts or he doesn't have any.
  4. The Cavs actually campiegned for it to be a 2-game suspension - what a scumbag organization - could you EVER see the GSW ownership or front office doing this? Lacob might say something of his on opinion on social media or something, but I can't imagine the organization actually doing that.
  5. Silver had this to say after not suspending Green in the WCF, "Even from a business standpoint, it would be impossible to predict which Finals would have a greater following. It depends on how many games, how close the games are." Well, if that doesn't fit the corruption narrative, I don't know what does.

Who knows though… ? I think at most, the league was gifted a chance to make their own business decision, and the made it. We probably win had it never happened, but we still had plenty of chances to do something about it ourselves – especially in game 7. Also, despite the fact that James did pretty much the most disrespectful, bitch move ever, Green is a leader of our team and needs to keep his cool. If he did, that probably would have been a T for taunting and a foul, 3FTA and another possession – 1 3pt there then we’re back in it.

But whatever, at the end of the day, it's just a game, and I honestly think it meant so much more to the haters that we didn't win it than it does to either teams' fans. I have absolutely no doubt we're the better team, but they simply played better when they needed to. We also played like trash (especially Barnes) and deserved to lose. We'll be back better next season - at least post season, hard to top that regular season.

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