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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:12 am
Minnesota wants to send KMartin along with Love, a smart move by them with KMartin's contract going for another three years at over 7 million average. Cleveland should be smart and give Wiggins, TThompson or Bennett, Waiters and Varejao. They'll still have one young player on the bench and will be able to attract veterans to fill the bench, like Ray Allen and Mike Miller.
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Wiggins was informed by Cabs that he won't be traded

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Unfortunately, it would make more sense for Love to want to sign a long-term contract with the Cavs, and that is problematic for us Warrior fans. Also, Cleveland has 3 first round draft choices next season to deal in a trade instead of having to trade away Wiggins.

This Warrior team cannot improve without getting rid of David "no defense" Lee and picking up a "stretch '4'' power forward.

If the Warriors do stay with its current roster, it will be interesting to see if Kerr has the spine to sit Lee and start Barnes at power forward. Jackson certainly did not have the courage to do so; some Mark Jackson drivel about 'not wanting to hurt David Lee's feelings' and how David Lee 'reads 'Purpose Driven Life.'"

If Lee is on the Warrior roster, he should become the highest paid reserve coming into a game when the team goes with a 'small ball' lineup where Lee would play center. Still, having to endure having to watch a guy being paid as much as Lee not hustling back on defense and letting his man beat him down the floor will be painful to watch.

Yes, David Lee does some nice things on the offensive end of the floor; however, that just is not going to get this Warrior team to improve.
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Wanna get Love and keep Klay? Here's what you do. Give up Lee and Thompson for Love.

You have to pay Klay anyways after next year, so then if you still want him then why not offer the max to him after he's on Minnesota for a year? you will have a year to see how you do without him but can offer him the max a year after he joins the wolves.
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uptempo wrote:Unfortunately, it would make more sense for Love to want to sign a long-term contract with the Cavs, and that is problematic for us Warrior fans. Also, Cleveland has 3 first round draft choices next seasons to deal in a trade instead of having to trade away Wiggins.

This Warrior team cannot improve without getting rid of David "no defense" Lee and picking up a "stretch '4'' power forward.

If the Warriors do stay with its current roster, it will be interesting to see if Kerr has the spine to sit Lee and start Barnes at power forward. Jackson certainly did not have the courage to do so; some Mark Jackson drivel about 'not wanting to hurt David Lee's feelings' and how David Lee 'reads 'Purpose Driven Life.'"

If Lee is on the Warrior roster, he should become the highest paid reserve coming into a game when the team goes with a 'small ball' lineup where Lee would play center. Still, having to endure having to watch a guy being paid as much as Lee not hustling back on defense and letting his man beat him down the floor will be painful to watch.

Yes, David Lee does some nice things on the offensive end of the floor; however, that just is not going to get this Warrior team to improve.


Barnes sucked last year and, as bad as Lee's defense is, Barnes would be worse vs PF's who outweigh him by a lot. Vs Nuggets in Playoffs was a little flukey if you ask me. Favorable matchups, bad coaching adjustments by Karl.

Lee can still get you around 20 & 10, points in the paint, FTA....dat ain't bad! I'm not sure what a stretch PF would do. That'd be 4 jump shooters and Bogut? Bogut ain't exactly a go-to guy in the post. Does anyone remember this team BEFORE David Lee? Jump shots jump shots jump shots and more jump shots. At least he gives us something inside.

"This Warrior team cannot improve without getting rid of David Lee"

To that I say

Our starters were GREAT. Bench sucked - would lose the lead, Ezeli injured, Iggy got injured (which coincided with W's going in a slump - shocker), Bogut injured for playoffs (still took a near-contending Clippers team to 7 games). Improve all those things and only THEN can we fully and honestly say whether the Dubs under/over-achieved.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:56 am
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uptempo wrote:Unfortunately, it would make more sense for Love to want to sign a long-term contract with the Cavs, and that is problematic for us Warrior fans. Also, Cleveland has 3 first round draft choices next seasons to deal in a trade instead of having to trade away Wiggins.

This Warrior team cannot improve without getting rid of David "no defense" Lee and picking up a "stretch '4'' power forward.

If the Warriors do stay with its current roster, it will be interesting to see if Kerr has the spine to sit Lee and start Barnes at power forward. Jackson certainly did not have the courage to do so; some Mark Jackson drivel about 'not wanting to hurt David Lee's feelings' and how David Lee 'reads 'Purpose Driven Life.'"

If Lee is on the Warrior roster, he should become the highest paid reserve coming into a game when the team goes with a 'small ball' lineup where Lee would play center. Still, having to endure having to watch a guy being paid as much as Lee not hustling back on defense and letting his man beat him down the floor will be painful to watch.

Yes, David Lee does some nice things on the offensive end of the floor; however, that just is not going to get this Warrior team to improve.


Barnes sucked last year and, as bad as Lee's defense is, Barnes would be worse vs PF's who outweigh him by a lot. Vs Nuggets in Playoffs was a little flukey if you ask me. Favorable matchups, bad coaching adjustments by Karl.

Lee can still get you around 20 & 10, points in the paint, FTA....dat ain't bad! I'm not sure what a stretch PF would do. That'd be 4 jump shooters and Bogut? Bogut ain't exactly a go-to guy in the post. Does anyone remember this team BEFORE David Lee? Jump shots jump shots jump shots and more jump shots. At least he gives us something inside.

"This Warrior team cannot improve without getting rid of David Lee"

To that I say

Our starters were GREAT. Bench sucked - would lose the lead, Ezeli injured, Iggy got injured (which coincided with W's going in a slump - shocker), Bogut injured for playoffs (still took a near-contending Clippers team to 7 games). Improve all those things and only THEN can we fully and honestly say whether the Dubs under/over-achieved.


You make some good points.

Kerr is implementing an offense that requires four players who can spread the floor, hit the open three, drive to the basket and either go all the way to the rim or pass off to an open man. This is not an offense David Lee fits into.

I like David Lee... a lot. The kid is tough (I remember how he came back from the elbow injury); however, David Lee does not play defense. It is unforgivable for a defender to ever allow his man to beat him down the floor; yet, during the Clipper series, we constantly saw both Griffin and Jordan beating Lee down the floor, getting the easy pass, and going to the basket uncontested. How can that ever be OK?

David Lee is a great player on a bad team; David Lee, unfortunately, is an above-average player on a good team.
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Just gotta make Lee hustle a little more on defense if you say he puts forth no effort. Or at least have him go in the weight room a little. His weight loss last year seemed to make him too weak.
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Stairway Man wrote:Wanna get Love and keep Klay? Here's what you do. Give up Lee and Thompson for Love.

You have to pay Klay anyways after next year, so then if you still want him then why not offer the max to him after he's on Minnesota for a year? you will have a year to see how you do without him but can offer him the max a year after he joins the wolves.



Minnesota will give him whatever he wants and keep him because we won't be under the salary cap anyway. We trade him, we lose him and if the salary cap does in fact go up to a rumoured 80 million, as the nba has apparently gotten a national tv deal, then we can afford to pay Klay the max.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 4:00 pm
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Stairway Man wrote:Wanna get Love and keep Klay? Here's what you do. Give up Lee and Thompson for Love.

You have to pay Klay anyways after next year, so then if you still want him then why not offer the max to him after he's on Minnesota for a year? you will have a year to see how you do without him but can offer him the max a year after he joins the wolves.



Minnesota will give him whatever he wants and keep him because we won't be under the salary cap anyway. We trade him, we lose him and if the salary cap does in fact go up to a rumoured 80 million, as the nba has apparently gotten a national tv deal, then we can afford to pay Klay the max.

I really hope the cap goes up, but the max money policies still stay the same (or don't change proportionately to the rumored max cap). Though, if that were the case then the cap won't mean nearly as much, so you'd have the rich getting richer even more so. I do think that market size is becoming marginalized, and a bigger TV deal would go a long ways to further that trend.

Since Wiggins and Klay are reportedly off the table, I wonder who is going to come out of the woodwork. There'll be plenty of time for someone to put together an interesting package, because the Wolves look like they're willing to ride this out for a while. Ultimately, I think we make Klay available again. Flip Saunders will praise the NBA gods that he won't lose his job for bluffing and letting Love walk for nothing. With that said, I can't see a lot of teams that Love would be winning to resign with (or arrogant enough to believe he'd stay with them - Lakers & Celtics, lol) offering much.

It's really a short list of teams that are in contention for Love, given the criterion of a possible "contender". Below is a list of teams (in order of best - worst record):
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1San Antonio Spurs62-20
2Oklahoma City Thunder59-23
3Los Angeles Clippers57-25
4Indiana Pacers56-26
5Houston Rockets54-28
6Miami Heat54-28
7Portland Trail Blazers54-28
8Golden State Warriors51-31
9Memphis Grizzlies50-32
10Dallas Mavericks49-33
11Chicago Bulls48-34
12Toronto Raptors48-34
13Phoenix Suns48-34
14Brooklyn Nets44-38
15Washington Wizards44-38
16Charlotte Bobcats43-39
17Minnesota Timberwolves40-42
18Atlanta Hawks38-44
19New York Knicks37-45
20Denver Nuggets36-46
21New Orleans Pelicans34-48
22Cleveland Cavaliers33-49
23Detroit Pistons29-53
24Sacramento Kings28-54
25Los Angeles Lakers27-55
26Boston Celtics25-57
27Utah Jazz25-57
28Orlando Magic23-59
29Philadelphia 76ers19-63
30Milwaukee Bucks15-67

I bolded the teams that I feel like could be potential championship contenders with Love. There's only 11 teams, only three of those teams have expressed an interest in Love (GSW, HOU, CLE), and Love has only expressed an interest in signing long-term deals with 2 of those teams (GSW, CLE). But like I said before, I think someone else is going to toss their hat into the Love ring (at least publicly, if they haven't already done it privately). So I guess the best thing for us to do as Warriors fans is to speculate who that team might be and what they'd offer.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 4:10 pm
Mark Stein reporting the Warriors are reopening talks with Minnesota, but still aren't willing to include Thompson in any trade.

My God... this might actually work, you guys.

If Cleveland isn't including Wiggins in any offer (which might be a lie; teams ALWAYS tell their players they won't be traded and then deal them without conscience afterwards, but still, if Wiggins if off the table, then) suddenly the Warriors' offer of David Lee and Harrison Barnes might seriously be the best offer the Wolves can get.

Houston lost Parsons to Dallas, effectively taking them out of the race for Love. They won't trade Howard or Harden and Lin's expirer is now out of town. Rockets are out.

Boston's draft picks haven't impressed and they seem to be refusing to part with Avery Bradley. Jeff Green alone is not superior to Lee & Barnes and Minnesota doesn't seem to share the Celtic's conviction in believing Jeff Sullinger has KLove type potential. Boston's out.

Los Angeles has zero assets to trade. Even if Minnesota thought Julius Randle was a franchise type talent (LOL), the Lakers have literally NO ONE on the books that could make the salary work. Nobody wants Nash or Kobe, Pau's gone, Sacre is a scrub... hell, they even lost Bazemore! LA's out.

And, as we already mentioned, Cleveland is claiming they won't trade Wiggins. That's the ONLY threat at this junction. The Cavs have 3 players worthy of a Love deal: they won't trade LeBron, they're not gonna part with Kyrie Irving, and if they seem to think Wiggins is more valuable to them than Love would be, there's nobody else they can trade to make an attractive package for Love. That takes Cleveland out, too.

So let's run down the list of suitors who have made a play at Kevin Love:

Houston? Out.
Boston? Out.
LA? Out.
Cleveland? Out... but if they include Wiggins, they have the best package (minus us dealing Klay).

The Warriors' package is nothing near worth the talent of Love... and Love hasn't dictated that he ONLY wants to play for Golden State... Minnesota isn't rolling over for us... but the market for Kevin Love has absolutely evaporated. It's the most unexpected turn of events we've seen all summer, IMO. Yes, more surprising than Bron going home.

We might have something here, Dubs fans... We might literally have a chance of obtaining Love AND keeping Klay Thompson. Thanks to the other 29 teams who appear to be helping our cause by not offering ANYTHING worthy for Love!
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It may appear that what is being offered for Love is less than his value. But his true value to Minnesota is less than it is to these other teams. Why? Because he's not going to re-sign with them.

Their feeling is... "We have to move this asset. Eventually it will be worth nothing." When the other party knows that they are in this position, it allows them to offer less than the actual value. I realize Minnesota is trying to maximize what they can get, but they will end up accepting less than they hope for. Something is better than nothing.
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J1000 wrote:It may appear that what is being offered for Love is less than his value. But his true value to Minnesota is less than it is to these other teams. Why? Because he's not going to re-sign with them.

Their feeling is... "We have to move this asset. Eventually it will be worth nothing." When the other party knows that they are in this position, it allows them to offer less than the actual value. I realize Minnesota is trying to maximize what they can get, but they will end up accepting less than they hope for. Something is better than nothing.

Yes, but there's also the law of supply-and-demand to account for.

Is Minnesota in a semi-desperate state because they are being forced to move a star who would otherwise net them nothing if they lost him in free agency? Sure.

But the fact that there are 29 other teams in the league with a starting PF worse than Love means that there should be a pretty decent market for Love in the event that he becomes available (as he has).

A month ago, Boston, Cleveland, Chicago, Houston, the Lakers, AND Golden State were all in on a potential Kevin Love deal.

The only thing that's happened since then is that Chicago has filled their hole at PF, Boston & LA have failed to attract Minnesota's attention with lackluster packages, Houston shot themselves in the foot by simultaneously allowing their key trade piece (Chandler Parsons) to walk via FA for nothing AND surrendering their huge expirer (and a pick) for nothing... So all that's left are two teams (Cleveland and Golden State) who are trying to keep a straight poker face while retaining their best trade pieces (Wiggins and Thompson, respectively).

If Cleveland or Golden State had the NUTS to put a respectable trade together for Love, the other would be SOL real quick. But unfortunately, they're both trying to out-busness the other and the result, thus far, has been a TWolves team that seems more willing to try their luck at resigning Love when he hits the open market than dealing him ahead of time for woeful underpayment.

Perhaps Minny still holds out hope that they can upgrade the roster enough to make themselves attractive contenders for Love by the time he comes off the books. Who knows? If they deal Rubio for a couple sharp pieces, anything could happen. They've already got a top 10 NBA center and a few young pieces that'll no doubt improve in the coming years.

Maybe nothing IS better than underpayment, if you're Minnesota.
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J1000 wrote:It may appear that what is being offered for Love is less than his value. But his true value to Minnesota is less than it is to these other teams. Why? Because he's not going to re-sign with them.

Their feeling is... "We have to move this asset. Eventually it will be worth nothing." When the other party knows that they are in this position, it allows them to offer less than the actual value. I realize Minnesota is trying to maximize what they can get, but they will end up accepting less than they hope for. Something is better than nothing.



That's right, Minnesota is stuffed, just like every other team in history whose star player said he wanted out - They never get anywhere near equal value in return.

Love dictates where he will go and he has pretty much made it clear that it is Cleveland or us, as he has said he wants to go to a winning team. Unless another team is able to make a better offer to Minnesota and still be a contender, that's it.

I actually think that if the FO can trade Speights and the 2015 1st rounder to a team for a 6th man type player, then trade that player along with Barnes and Lee for Love, so a three team trade, Minnesota will do it, as they'd get three contributing players that could start if needed. If we agreed to take KMartin as well, that'd be a good deal for them, though I'm totally against taking KMartin.


I've been looking at a way to get Love the last few minutes and think that Phoenix likely doesn't want ot sees they won't be able to resign Bledsoe. A three team trade with us and Minnesota could work:

Phoenix gives resigned Bledsoe at about 12 million a year and the Morris twins to Minnesota and receives Barnes and Lee from us.

Minnesota gives Love to us and receives Bledsoe and the Morris twins.

We give Lee and Barnes to Phoenix and receive Love from Minnesota.

After signing Isaiah Thomas Phoenix won't resign Bledsoe likely but if he is happy doing a sign and trade to Minnesota, being their starting PG or SG, likely SG with Rubio there, but Rubio is 6'4 and Bledsoe is 6'1, he'll agree. Phoenix need a scoring big desperately to go with Dragic and Gerald Green. Lee is that and Barnes would start at SF for them in the perfect situation for him, as Phoenix would have three scorers ahead of him, so the focus isn't on him, yet have a much better chance of developing than he does here on our team. The uptempo style of Phoenix is also a great sit for Barnes. Phoenix improves with this trade. Minnesota get a young great talent in Bledsoe that they can either keep or let him get all the chances to show what he can do next season and then he'll have high value in a trade to get them a very good player. The Morris twins showed last season that they are contributors and either or both could start. We get Love, with the agreement that he opts in and signs an extension. That would allow us to only have to trade Lee and Barnes, who are not as valuable to Minnesota as they are to Phoenix, to get Love.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:25 pm
Cleveland is reportedly open to include Andrew Wiggins in the deal now.

I told you guys, whoever had the nuts to put a real package on the table would get Love.

I expect him to land in Cleveland within 4 days now that Wiggins is available. Of course, the Cavs will wait to see if we change our position on including Klay Thompson in the deal, but if we don't change our tune, Love's not coming here. The inclusion of Wiggins may strike some as unexpected, but it not-so-coincidentally comes on the horns of Dion Waiters telling management that he won't accept a bench role in Cleveland. That gives you LeBron James, Dion Waiters, and Andrew Wiggins all vying for 2 spots. Makes sense that rather than relegate Wiggins to the pine, Cleveland will look to upgrade their starting 5. Love, James, and Irving is the most talented big 3 since Garnett-Pierce-Allen; yes, more talented than DWade & Bosh were because Irving can playmake for others in a way that Wade couldn't.

Warriors focus will now shift to obtaining a short-term, backup 4/5... ideally, they're trying to convince Jermaine to give it one more season, but if O'Neal hangs em up, suddenly the Warriors will find themselves in a position where they hope to address the backup center spot midseason (much like they did with backup PG this past year). Not a great thing; especially considering Ezeli and Bogut's tendencies to break. Might see a surplus of Mo Speights at center this year... not a horrible thing when he's motivated and included in the offensive game plan, but definitely not what the Warriors were hoping for.

This Love domino had the potential to take us into the top 3 seeds... now, it looks like we'll more than likely hang around the 6-7 spot while teams like Dallas & Phoenix make huge free agent upgrades. I told you guys we should have included Klay Thompson, as hard as it is to fathom. Looks like we'll be paying for it sooner than later.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:39 pm
The Warriors have reiterated they won't trade Thompson. The deal to Cleveland is just a matter of time now.

Not to mention we're witnessing an early sighting of Joe Lacob's future pretext for firing Kerr; multiple outlets are reporting the Warriors' hesitancy to part with Thompson is at the behest of Kerr; a first-time coach whose record as a GM is iffy at best.

When Love goes to Cleveland, 3 scenarios arise:

1, Love regresses and Thompson becomes a star... In which case, Lacob will suck up all the credit for not trading him and Kerr will have to make due without even a scrap of commendation despite being the driving force to keep Klay. I find this scenario very unlikely.

2, Thompson regresses (or stays the same), but Love is unspectacular; either due to injury or a lesser role. This might be the most likely scenario and if it comes to fruition, nothing in the media will be made of it.

Or 3, Thompson stays the same (or, God help us, regresses) and Love kills it in Cleveland; helping lead them to a title (or at least deep in the playoffs). This is also a pretty likely scenario and if it happens, Kerr will have a MASSIVE strike on his Lacob-resume... And, unless Joe Lacob is a closet racist slash God-o-phobe, he'll be bringin the wrath come contract time. Cause we can all agree: roadblocking a trade for the best PF in basketball is a helluva lot more agregious than winning 50+ games and taking a twice-as-high seed to 7 contests in the playoffs. If Mark Jackson got publically humiliated en route to a coaching castration, imagine what'll happen to Kerr if he flops as a first-year coach AND becomes the face of 'Why the Warriors Didn't Swing a Trade for Kevin Love.' It'll be a hanging in the town square... That is, provided the universe has any real cosmic justice, cause I swear if Lacob let's a travesty like that slide after canning Mark Jackson for having a good-but-not-great year, I'll have an extremely difficult time clapping for our majority owner and I was one of the few to actually have his back on Chris Mullin night 3 years ago.
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